retireteed

That is possible Rosemary, as long as the mods have some strict controll on trolls. Anyone who claims a fact without evidence, or blatantly posts lies as truth, needs a correction.

amideislas

Clearly a majority actually fell for all the lies, threats and deceit of the fear campaign, and won the vote on the basis of that. I think that's what a lot of people are now questioning.

Fredbargate

Do you mean they did not fall for the scaremongering of the remain campaign ?

amideislas

The referendum is over. In hindsight, much of the rhetoric on the leave side in Britain (there were precious few other leave supporters outside of Britain) has been analysed and proven to be at a minimum, highly misrepresented or patently false. It's past-tense now, but it's quantifiable. End of.

Contrastingly, the pre-referendum warnings given by not only the remain campaign in Britain, but academics and political leaders from all over the world (often referred to as "scaremongering") have yet to be played out. So far, the early indications are rather supportive of those warnimgs, and the circumstantial facts are not particularly optimistic.

We shall see.

Rosemary

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Dick Dasterdly

Regarding pre referendum fear mongering it's truly amazing just how many fallacies have already been debunked, by far the vast majority in fact.
Most especially regarding all the companies that were supposedly going to leave in the event of a leave majority and now clearly have absolutely no intention of doing so.
Not only that, but yet more companies are pledging further or new investment in the UK.

Furthermore quite a lot of home truths have come to light regarding so called independent experts and advisors who campaigned in behalf of the Remainers.

Yes Ami the result is what it is and the past is the past, so I really don't understand why you don't get used to it and try putting it behind you, instead of going on and on and on and on with the same worn out old record.

As you say regarding the future, we shall see.
Meantime I certainly don't agree with your never ending doom and gloom predictions, though they may well apply to the EU itself, the way things are going.

On the contrary the post referendum changes and positive attitudes have made me and many others even more optimistic than during pre referendum, that Brexit can succeed.

amideislas

Aside from a shuffle of leadership, nothing has happened yet. It isn't "behind us". It's "ahead of us" - something to come in the future.

That's yet another common misunderstanding of the reality of it. This hasn't even begun yet.

Dick Dasterdly

Ah right,

So obviously I misunderstood that your endless predictions of doom and gloom regarding the future were as good as done and dusted.

johnnyone

It's how much the divorce will cost when finalised.
It may well be the brexiteers are correct and the effect may be minimal or even beneficial. Alternatively the cost of withdrawal may have a big impact on the Uk economy.
Until the button is pressed and we officially commence the withdrawal process we just do not know what the outcome will be.

amideislas

The demonstrable facts certainly don't support that notion.

It's been posted quite a few times, but few bother to take the time to watch it, because it's complex, uses a lot of legal speak, and it is contrary to what some people want to believe, but it isn't political, and does provide some eye-opening insight into the actual reality of what Brexit means for the UK. Well worth watching, if you have the patience.

Treasury Committee, Tuesday 5 July 2016 Meeting started at 10.17am, ended 1.00pm

Dick Dasterdly

I think most who have suffered from an unhappy and unsatisfactory marriage will tell you that the cost of a divorce is a price very well worth paying in the long term.

johnnyone

I don't think I shall sit through 3 hours of drivel from a Parliamentary committee, I have better things to do.
As I said in my previous post until such times as we press the button we do not know how the withdrawal will be played out despite what so called experts may say now.

amideislas

A testament to the gullibility of the electorate.

johnnyone

Some would say cynicism.

amideislas

We don't need no stinking facts. I know what I want to know, and they ain't it.