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Fred James Apr 8th 2013 12:50 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10645324)
EMR got it first time, what don't you understand about it, it isn't complicated, the owner of the rights restricts what they release and how.

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I am well aware of that. The BBC already restricts content on the Global iPlayer based on what the rights holders agree.

As I said before Global iPlayer is nothing like the normal BBC iPlayer and does not carry live feeds. Incidentally you cannot access it in the UK but it is available in some EU countries on subscription. It is available in Spain - quite legally - which is why I queried why you felt they would restrict it.

Domino Apr 8th 2013 1:12 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 10646322)
I am well aware of that. The BBC already restricts content on the Global iPlayer based on what the rights holders agree.

As I said before Global iPlayer is nothing like the normal BBC iPlayer and does not carry live feeds. Incidentally you cannot access it in the UK but it is available in some EU countries on subscription. It is available in Spain - quite legally - which is why I queried why you felt they would restrict it.

So why am I getting the 3rd Degree ??

the telecomms/media markets are in general turmoil at the moment because of all the re-broadcasting, the suppliers of little black boxes, etc etc.

everyone originating Intellectual Property should be worried about some of the goings on, the copying, the re-broadcasting of media to their detriment.
the demand for the extension of the copyright base date for late 50's and early 60's is also tied up in this as the originators are still alive and earning good money.
and the potential for loss of income from photographs and paintings when "stolen" for use in advertising is a similar problem.

I understand that the PFL has entered into regional agreements for next season's Football League to be screened but already people are being offered access to this due to satellite "overspill" and rebroadcasting.

As to the Goodbye Sky TV, well we will have to wait and see, Free broadcasts shouldn't have much problem but the transmissions of paid and/premium may be a problem - but as the satellite doesn't fly until June, and may still take a float test if it goes wrong - we will have to wait and see.

EMR Apr 8th 2013 7:06 pm

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 
I have come across a new SKY service " Now TV " this is a Pay for View " streaming service. Like others of its type you need a Sky account in the UK but to me indicates that the changes suggested by many are already happening,
Streaming from re broadcasters who do not have rights will soon come to an end to be replaced by Pay for View/Subscription services.

tommy.irene Apr 9th 2013 2:26 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 
FilmOn .com have put back on all the channels they took off...

Domino Apr 9th 2013 3:17 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by tommy.irene (Post 10649147)
FilmOn .com have put back on all the channels they took off...

how much do you get paid for advertising them ??
if its worthwhile I might get myself a similar contract

Saxy Apr 9th 2013 3:45 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10648313)
I have come across a new SKY service " Now TV " this is a Pay for View " streaming service. Like others of its type you need a Sky account in the UK but to me indicates that the changes suggested by many are already happening,
Streaming from re broadcasters who do not have rights will soon come to an end to be replaced by Pay for View/Subscription services.

Now that all of their UK channels are back on, it would appear that the FilmOn lawyers don't agree with you! I think they only closed down the channels they did to protect the London office.
TVCatchup are still broadcasting and very confident (not toasted yet), as are Europa.

Fred James Apr 9th 2013 3:52 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10648313)
I have come across a new SKY service " Now TV " this is a Pay for View " streaming service. Like others of its type you need a Sky account in the UK but to me indicates that the changes suggested by many are already happening,
Streaming from re broadcasters who do not have rights will soon come to an end to be replaced by Pay for View/Subscription services.

You don't need a Sky account - this is available to anyone, in the UK, who wants the service. It is a true "pay per view" service. It's not cheap though.

It's a bit like Netflix with added sport! It's been around since July last year but was mainly films. They have recently added stuff from Sky Sports.

Yes, it's the way to go. Some years ago Sky offered a dedicated F1 channel at £5 per race. It was good but at the time there was not enough demand so they dropped it.

The basic problem with streaming is the quality as there isn't enough bandwidth to go around and many potential customers haven't got the ADSL speed to stream higher quality material. BBC iPlayer does offer a download service at a slightly higher quality which is acceptable but not HD.

Downloading films from iTunes, however, is amazingly good. The quality is equivalent to a Blu-Ray DVD but it can take a long time to download and is not dependent on the speed of your connection.

Saxy Apr 9th 2013 4:02 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 10649331)
You don't need a Sky account - this is available to anyone, in the UK, who wants the service. It is a true "pay per view" service. It's not cheap though.

It's a bit like Netflix with added sport! It's been around since July last year but was mainly films. They have recently added stuff from Sky Sports.

Yes, it's the way to go. Some years ago Sky offered a dedicated F1 channel at £5 per race. It was good but at the time there was not enough demand so they dropped it.

The basic problem with streaming is the quality as there isn't enough bandwidth to go around and many potential customers haven't got the ADSL speed to stream higher quality material. BBC iPlayer does offer a download service at a slightly higher quality which is acceptable but not HD.

Downloading films from iTunes, however, is amazingly good. The quality is equivalent to a Blu-Ray DVD but it can take a long time to download and is not dependent on the speed of your connection.

The free 10 hour recording space, available on FilmOn SD, is surprisingly good.

Fred James Apr 9th 2013 4:14 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 10649349)
The free 10 hour recording space, available on FilmOn SD, is surprisingly good.

Does the recording option actually download the programme to your PC? In which case, like BBC iPlayer it would be better as speed is not an issue.

If it doesn't download it and the quality is better than the SD stream then it's probably for the same reason that the iPad app gives better quality - in either case, for reasons that are not immediately apparent.

The Internet seems to offer two extremes at the moment. You have the full HD quality of an iTunes film for about €4 rental and the relatively poor quality of "free" streamed media. What would be good would be the ability to download current TV programmes in full HD for a reasonable fee. You can get the older material via iTunes or Netfix but a bit more choice would be good.

It could be a big earner for the companies involved. Not everyone is trying to get it all for free - just look at the number of people paying up to £60/mth for Sky HD+

EMR Apr 9th 2013 4:28 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 
My money is on the lawyers who work for the real money, the main broadcasters. If the law is not on their side then technology will be , theodd virus ( sorry encryption ) will soontake care of the re brodcasters who fail to com into line.
Copywrite law covers almost every part of the media, the written word, music., electronic transmission will just require a few tweaks to existing legislation.

Saxy Apr 9th 2013 4:39 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 10649379)
Does the recording option actually download the programme to your PC? In which case, like BBC iPlayer it would be better as speed is not an issue.

If it doesn't download it and the quality is better than the SD stream then it's probably for the same reason that the iPad app gives better quality - in either case, for reasons that are not immediately apparent.

The Internet seems to offer two extremes at the moment. You have the full HD quality of an iTunes film for about €4 rental and the relatively poor quality of "free" streamed media. What would be good would be the ability to download current TV programmes in full HD for a reasonable fee. You can get the older material via iTunes or Netfix but a bit more choice would be good.

It could be a big earner for the companies involved. Not everyone is trying to get it all for free - just look at the number of people paying up to £60/mth for Sky HD+

Fred all you have to do is, download FilmOn and register. Select the channel you want, and under the small screen, you will see two arrows (left & right), with a record button. Press the right hand arrow 'till the program you want to record appears, and click on the record button. Job Done!

Saxy Apr 9th 2013 4:41 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10649415)
My money is on the lawyers who work for the real money, the main broadcasters. If the law is not on their side then technology will be , theodd virus ( sorry encryption ) will soontake care of the re brodcasters who fail to com into line.
Copywrite law covers almost every part of the media, the written word, music., electronic transmission will just require a few tweaks to existing legislation.

:)

EMR Apr 9th 2013 4:42 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 
The terms and conditions of NowTV state that you need a SKY ID. ?

tommy.irene Apr 9th 2013 6:23 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10649246)
how much do you get paid for advertising them ??
if its worthwhile I might get myself a similar contract

Is there a law on here about giving people information about Free TV..

EMR Apr 9th 2013 7:35 am

Re: Goodbye Sky TV
 
If it is a site that is at the very least questionable, then if not against the law it is morally dubious.


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