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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
BAT is right in that there are numerous cases where UK legal rulings have been overturned by the ECJ but these usually relate to a " human rights infringment ". Being able to watch internet TV for free from a re broadcaster can hardly be described as a " human right ".
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Originally Posted by Saxy
(Post 10636515)
Has anyone bothered to read the posts on TVCatchups forum. They explain things from their point of view regarding copyright, and appear very confident in the High Courts final judjment.
It will be very interesting to see the other companies reaction to the judgment, when it finally arrives in a few years time. Remember all of this started in 2008! ´´The Court of Justice's reply is not merely an opinion, but takes the form of a judgment or reasoned order. The national court to which it is addressed is, in deciding the dispute before it, bound by the interpretation given. The Court's judgment likewise binds other national courts before which the same problem is raised. Television broadcasters may prohibit the retransmission of their programmes by another company via the internet |
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Originally Posted by The Guy
(Post 10636550)
And an internet TV system in the states, that streams us channels without permission, have had their appeal upheld...much to the annoyance of the tv companies!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...orks-tv-online A federal judge in California issued a preliminary injunction Thursday ordering the “Aereokiller†service to stop streaming live TV feeds from ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC over the Internet -- finding that it represents illegal retransmission of copyrighted content. Judge George Wu, of the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, issued the injunction Dec. 27 against Aereokiller, FilmOn.com and related services owned by Nigerian-born media entrepreneur Alkiviades "Alki" David. The services are being sued for copyright infringement by ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC and related parties, which had requested a preliminary injunction. ABC is owned by disney FOX is owned by mr murdoch NBC owned by general electric CBS by westinghouse |
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
This is probably the most boring thread I have seen on this forum for a long time.
Why can't we all shut up and wait and see what happens late summer when we actually will know what channels we are going to lose. By then there will be even more alternatives, legal or otherwise, and I am pretty sure that most of the potential users couldn't care a toss about the ECJ judgements. They will just sign up for whatever is available. The only posts I have seen that are worth noting are the post from The Guy about the actual situation and the one from Amideslas about the legal aspects. Anyway, that's just my opinion. I will carry on watching Freesat for the time being and if it all goes pear shaped in September I will get a big dish. |
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 10636884)
This is probably the most boring thread I have seen on this forum for a long time.
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Hopefully your big dish may be able to receive it.
In Malaga they do not ( reported on Robs Satellite ). |
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
In Marbella many communities have banned big dishes, even if they are individual villas.
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Originally Posted by BAT7311
(Post 10636736)
WAR OVER ! it went to the HIGHEST COURT IN EUROPE
they said each transmission or retransmission of that work using a specific technical means must, as a rule, be individually authorised by its author. ITV said The spokeswoman said: "ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 welcome the judgment by the European court of justice. The judgment makes it clear that, subject to some limited defences, broadcasters and content producers should be able to prevent unauthorised streaming of free-to-air channels. "We now look forward to the UK court's implementation of this judgment. We reserve the right to pursue any site or service we believe to be infringing our copyright or using our content in an unlicensed, illegal capacity." if in doubt please ring TLS on 0044 20 7157 3000 ask for on-line legal team ,try SHARON FOSTER This is the opinion of the ECJ, passed back to the BHC, who will now make a judgement. In the normal circumstances the opinion of the ECJ is normally accepted by the member states. But IIRC they do not have to, although I don't think they have ever gone against such rulings. However, it will probably take some time to pass legislation through the system to enshrine this in law and in so doing could end up with a different situation if that law is rewritten by Parliament. Like the satellites - lets wait and see. ` |
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Originally Posted by EMR
(Post 10636935)
Hopefully your big dish may be able to receive it.
In Malaga they do not ( reported on Robs Satellite ). Robs Satellite is not the be all and end all of wisdom on the subject. There are some very serious forums that have correlated extensive reports of coverage in Spain and there are no reports from "big" dishes in that area. https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...9153,39.506836 Anyway, we are well east of Malaga and reception improves there on the current "difficult" satellite. Luckily we have no limitations on dish size - apart from cost. |
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
yes i agree most of my time is taken up on facebook because they allow free adverts fro business and people stand in qs at airports and ask us if we can get them tv when they arrive in 3 hours !!!
but good luck with your forum and hope you can find something to watch when the lights go out |
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 10637034)
I think you will find that the British High Court referred the case to the ECJ for an opinion due to the ramifications for the remainder of the EU. (I posted this a number of days ago elsewhere)
This is the opinion of the ECJ, passed back to the BHC, who will now make a judgement. In the normal circumstances the opinion of the ECJ is normally accepted by the member states. But IIRC they do not have to, although I don't think they have ever gone against such rulings. However, it will probably take some time to pass legislation through the system to enshrine this in law and in so doing could end up with a different situation if that law is rewritten by Parliament. Like the satellites - lets wait and see. ` 1.it is the JUDGMENT of the HIGHER COURT (ECJ ) ,it is now passed back to the LOWER COURT (EWHC) to CARRY OUT IT IS THE HIGHER COURT there is no ´well think about it mate´´ 2, this is it .the EWHC just rubber stamp it - maybe a few weeks 3. ITV then ask for the seventeen injunctions they want - maybe a month 4 NO going to national parliament that was done in 2003 on the original directive from 2001 (Directive 2001/29/EC – Article 3(1) |
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Originally Posted by EMR
(Post 10636935)
Hopefully your big dish may be able to receive it.
In Malaga they do not ( reported on Robs Satellite ). |
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There are pages of reception reports across Europe for Astra 2F currently using the UK beam for C5. Freesat.
Eg Spain Malaga 2.4 and 3.0mtr dish No signal. As many have said if you cannot get C5 Freesat now then probably you will lose the main UK channels when Astra 2E starts. ( BBC confirmed this ). A big dish if it does not pick up Astra2F will not help. No doubt some of your friendly local sat men will tell you otherwise. |
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 10636884)
This is probably the most boring thread I have seen on this forum for a long time.
Why can't we all shut up and wait and see what happens late summer when we actually will know what channels we are going to lose. By then there will be even more alternatives, legal or otherwise, and I am pretty sure that most of the potential users couldn't care a toss about the ECJ judgements. They will just sign up for whatever is available. The only posts I have seen that are worth noting are the post from The Guy about the actual situation and the one from Amideslas about the legal aspects. Anyway, that's just my opinion. I will carry on watching Freesat for the time being and if it all goes pear shaped in September I will get a big dish. I don't understand why so many are getting their knickers in a twist over it all, I'm just going to carry on watching my Freesat...if it goes off in September I'll worry about what to do then. |
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There are a number of aspects to this thread which of course may not be of concern to all.
1) Loss of the main UK Freesat channels whem Astra 2E becomes operational later this summer. There are tens of if not afew 100,000 expats not to mention the tourist market who watch these progs and which for some are a vital part of their life abroad ( not me but that is bye the bye ) 2) What is going to happen to Sky reception ( unknown ) 3) The much vaunted internet solution a bandwagon which many who see a potential profit have jumped on and which every day becomes more and more complicated. Forums are not just a scource of information and chat but also serve as means of preventing scams and misinformation from those who are only too happy to take money of the illinformed or unwary. There are many threads I do not bother to read t as they are of no interest to me . |
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