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Apparently at six fifteen last night there was only a small queue, however word came through that a Spanish TV news crew were on the way.
6.30 TV crew arrive NO QUEUE

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The Gibraltar police do not stop Spanish fishermen from working.
They have thousands of miles of their own water to work in, plus international waters, plus the Moroccan waters they claim belong to them because of a few isolated rock pinnacles they claim sovereignty over.

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Fred those Spanish fishers have been reading you telling us how marvellous Gib is and just couldnt resist a visit to check

:rofl:

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Problem is they don't know what the word "conservation" means, they've probably fished out their own waters. That's why they have to travel further and further to find fish or try the waters around Gib. To date the Spanish have been fined by so many countries for fishing illegally, they seem incapable of sticking to the rules. Earlier this year they were given the biggest fine in British maritime history, £1.6 million.

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You are wearing blinkers if you think that Gibraltar and the British government are whiter than white, and all the problems at the border are down to the Spanish being shifty foreigners who refuse to respect the British Empire. :D That's the impression I get from most of the posts on here!

I personally don't give a flying fish who it belongs to, I just wish they'd sort it out and stop disrupting people's daily lives!

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Correct

There is no argument who it belongs to:- Spain formally ceded the territory in perpetuity to the British Crown in 1713, Treaty of Utrecht

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What on earth are you talking about - The British Empire? You are a socialist aren't you? You are just confirming what I believe about socialists - that they are unable to think.

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China formally ceded Hong Kong in perpetuity in 1842 in the Treaty of Nanking but it was handed back in 1997.
Perhaps because the FCO is full of fuddy duddies who can remember Palmerston saying "Why do we want a godforsaken rock in the middle of nowhere??"

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Whilst Hong Kong Island plus the Kowloon Peninsula and Stonecutter's Island were ceded in perpetuity to Britain the New Territories were only on a 99 year lease that ran out in 1997. I believe that it was the imminent expiry of that lease that sealed Hong Kongs fate.

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The Kowloon Peninsular was ceded following a failed assassination attempt on the British Governor, bringing shame and dishonour to the Chinese Emperor.
ISTR reading that there was no reason why the man concerned should have made the attempt, which was unlikely to succeed, for which he probably never received the money he was promised, but in addition all of his family in every direction were also killed to erase the family name for ever.

The NT lease probably could never have been renegotiated after the Great Revolution. But IMO there was never a need to give back a gift, even though you may have done far better with it than they would have done.

HK is now one of only 2 Special Administrative Regions of the People's Republic of China. The other being Macau, a former Portuguese territory.

Gib was always seen by the FCO as a "must have" but HK was too far outside their sight and they had Palmerston's comment to fall back on.

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I'm not sure why you feel the need to resort to personal insults. Why do you get so indignant because not everyone has the same views as you?

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Well your silly remark about the British Empire and Spain not respecting it, are you surprised? It's nothing to do with Spanish respecting the BE, it's about them respecting international law, and when it comes to fishing, they rarely do. Spain does not accept Gib's territorial waters, so if they are in the right, the obvious route is the international court, let them decide. But of course Spain refuses to do so. It's really a very simple situation, they gave Gib away "para siempre", and as long as the llanitos don't want anything to do with Spain (and they couldn't be clearer on that point) the UK refuses to hand it back. ¡Es así de simple!

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I apologise - I was a little hard - I had a bad night.:(

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As someone suggested, perhaps they should let the Spanish unhindered into Gib´s waters, they´ll empty it of fish in a very short time, so then they´ll have to go elsewhere and hassle someone else.

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