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Pocaloca Sep 3rd 2012 1:34 am

Re: Gibralar v Spain yet again
 
Another good reason to sort out these mad historical anachronisms.

People-traffickers are taking money off desperate Africans, promising to smuggle them into Europe, and dumping them on these islands just off the coast of Morocco but officially part of Spain.

Peñones e islotes: la nueva entrada de los ‘sin papeles’ en España

Fredbargate Sep 3rd 2012 1:44 am

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Originally Posted by Pocaloca (Post 10261564)
Another good reason to sort out these mad historical anachronisms.

People-traffickers are taking money off desperate Africans, promising to smuggle them into Europe, and dumping them on these islands just off the coast of Morocco but officially part of Spain.

Peñones e islotes: la nueva entrada de los ‘sin papeles’ en España


Not as bad as in the 70's, picking up illegals in France and dropping them on the Goodwin's and telling them to walk up the beach to the main road

Domino Sep 3rd 2012 2:09 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 10261574)
Not as bad as in the 70's, picking up illegals in France and dropping them on the Goodwin's and telling them to walk up the beach to the main road

Not so bad as 2011 when "men" in their teens, 20's, 30's (i.e. of military age) were fleeing Tunisia to Lampedusa, the Italians were shipping them to the mainland and after a (very) short time in a camp shown the way to the station and told to take train North to the border - all paid for....

but then thats not UK or Gibraltar, sri

Dick Dasterdly Sep 3rd 2012 4:01 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10261534)
it would have been much easier if Hitler had got on with Roosevelt the way Churchill did. He would have stopped the Japanese, no Pearl Harbour

Well if the US had taken notice of UK intelligence instead of stupidly ignoring it,then it wouldn't have happened anyway.

Domino Sep 3rd 2012 4:26 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 10261760)
Well if the US had taken notice of UK intelligence instead of stupidly ignoring it,then it wouldn't have happened anyway.

if they had taken notice of their own intelligence it wouldnt have happened.
having spent days reading the signal files of the time it was a foregone conclusion that I could see it but "Intelligence Officers" couldn't. But I had foresight to help me.

what would have happened if the carriers had also been in harbour ?

however it enforces the belief that the GDY's were not ready for war, as it was a Sunday (Hawaii time) although Monday (Japan time) and who the heck would start a war at breakfast time on a Sunday ? ?
most unBritish.
:rofl:

Fredbargate Sep 5th 2012 7:20 pm

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Spanish minister threatens retaliation over fishing row

http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=25931

Domino Sep 5th 2012 11:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 10266511)
Spanish minister threatens retaliation over fishing row

http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=25931

posturing ??
looking for brownie points ??
hasn't been in the news recently ??

now they have the new boats perhaps Gib should be working night shifts more often and be seen patrolling ??

Fredbargate Sep 6th 2012 7:25 pm

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Speaking on Onda Cero radio during a wide-ranging half-hour long interview, Sr Garcia-Margallo was asked about delays at the border and responded by linking them directly to the fishing dispute.


http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=25931

jimenato Sep 6th 2012 7:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Pocaloca (Post 10261564)
Another good reason to sort out these mad historical anachronisms.

Do you include Gibraltar in that? If so how would you sort it out?

Dick Dasterdly Sep 6th 2012 8:31 pm

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 10268385)
Do you include Gibraltar in that? If so how would you sort it out?

Ask the Spanish to stop behaving babies who just had their sweets taken away.
They are obviously trying to provoke an extreme reaction with their childish behaviour both at the border and at sea in the hope of getting international sympathy for their non existent case.
Fortunately both the British or Gib authorities have enough sense not to take the bait.

jackytoo Sep 6th 2012 8:56 pm

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Hmmm, happy I don't have to do my monthly Morissons shop anymore.

Fredbargate Sep 6th 2012 8:58 pm

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Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10268454)
Hmmm, happy I don't have to do my monthly Morissons shop anymore.

It's no problem my wife has just gone for a walk there :p

jimenato Sep 7th 2012 12:29 am

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Anyone know what the queues are like on a Sunday these days? That's when we used to go - it was always fine.

Pocaloca Sep 7th 2012 1:55 am

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 10268385)
Do you include Gibraltar in that? If so how would you sort it out?

Yes of course. I'd get rid of all the borders inside the EU, so Spain, UK and Gib were all part of the European Union, with the same rules and taxes.

People could still observe their own way of life, elect their own leaders and speak whatever language they want. But there would be no point in smuggling, because everything would cost the same, and no border disputes because people could come and go as they please.

Ceuta, Melilla etc would have to revert to Morocco and the Falklands to Argentina. Anyone who objected would have their repatriation costs paid.

Fredbargate Sep 7th 2012 2:02 am

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Originally Posted by Pocaloca (Post 10268861)
I'd get rid of all the borders inside the EU,
But there would be no point in smuggling, because everything would cost the same,
.

So that would put an end to people smuggling?
Drug smuggling?
Arms smuggling?
Plus anything from cheaper source outside the EU

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


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