GADAFFI IS DEAD.
Oct 22nd 2011, 3:50 pm
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I thought we had gone back to the 12th century watching those clips. Not a great start to a new modern democracy is it
Was listening to an Arab on TV and he said it didn't bode well for the country as despite what the media says Gadaffi still had a lot of followers in the country if only for tribal reasons. Most people had free electric and free education. According to foreign news Gaddafi isn't the only one being subjected to this treatment! Savages. Next thing the various rebel factions will be tearing each other to pieces.
Was listening to an Arab on TV and he said it didn't bode well for the country as despite what the media says Gadaffi still had a lot of followers in the country if only for tribal reasons. Most people had free electric and free education. According to foreign news Gaddafi isn't the only one being subjected to this treatment! Savages. Next thing the various rebel factions will be tearing each other to pieces.
For me the manner of his death was both justified and understandable.
As for the future who knows, the early signs of forming a democracy look promising, tribal differences are not so critical as elsewhere in Africa and in any event it surely can't be any worse than what's gone before.
Best of luck to them and I hope they enjoy their day of celebration before getting down to business again, which incidently is already surprisingly good.
Oct 22nd 2011, 4:22 pm
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Not really all that strange. Just think for a moment how we all managed to see Gadaffi's death almost as it happened. By mobile phones/youtube rebroadcasts/internet etc.
Oct 22nd 2011, 4:25 pm
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As ever doom and gloom.
For me the manner of his death was both justified and understandable.
As for the future who knows, the early signs of forming a democracy look promising, tribal differences are not so critical as elsewhere in Africa and in any event it surely can't be any worse than what's gone before.
Best of luck to them and I hope they enjoy their day of celebration before getting down to business again, which incidently is already surprisingly good.
For me the manner of his death was both justified and understandable.
As for the future who knows, the early signs of forming a democracy look promising, tribal differences are not so critical as elsewhere in Africa and in any event it surely can't be any worse than what's gone before.
Best of luck to them and I hope they enjoy their day of celebration before getting down to business again, which incidently is already surprisingly good.
Oct 22nd 2011, 4:34 pm
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What we have seen is disgusting. The papers & news channels have committed war crimes in showing the world just how barbaric his death was but what is most disgusting is the way oil companies are scurrying around for contracts. You might think things couldn't be any worse, but just like Iraq we'll still be discussing this in 10yrs time.
Personally like DD, I really could not give a sh'it about gaddaffi or the means of his going.
Oct 22nd 2011, 5:18 pm
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I think there is something in the Geneva convention about showing such things as videos
I don't/didn't care about Gaddafi but found the whole thing sickening and barbaric and it demeans the human race.
I don't/didn't care about Gaddafi but found the whole thing sickening and barbaric and it demeans the human race.
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Oct 22nd 2011, 6:06 pm
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I doubt you'd be ranting on so much about the manner of his passing had the lives of yourself and those close to you been ruined or destroyed by his horrific deeds and rule of fear, which no doubt touched on a large part of the Libyan population to one degree or another, including many of those who finally caught up with him.
Oct 22nd 2011, 6:10 pm
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If that were to happen, then Gaddafi would have done some good after all.
Oct 22nd 2011, 6:12 pm
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You may well be right, however, I think it was useful having that image sent round the world. It might make people like Assad of Syria think twice about the road he is on. Seeing Gaddafi die like that might make him think about cutting a deal, democracy for immunity, or something like that.
If that were to happen, then Gaddafi would have done some good after all.
If that were to happen, then Gaddafi would have done some good after all.
Oct 22nd 2011, 6:33 pm
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.........and the best thing of all, is that it was the people whom he had been abusing for so many years, who finally gave him a taste of his own medicine. He was "lucky" in not being tortured and made to "dissapear". unlike so many of his victims
Oct 22nd 2011, 6:52 pm
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Yeah, how would you fancy standing there when they had hold of him and saying "I say chaps, I really think we should give him a fair trial..."
Oct 22nd 2011, 7:01 pm
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Doubt very much that he was ever quite so considerate.
Oct 22nd 2011, 7:46 pm
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As I understood it the purpose of NATO getting involved was to protect the civilian population from the actions of Gadaffis thugs and merceneries.
Officially Gadaffi himself was not a target, nor capturing him the purpose of the action.
However unofficially, I have little doubt what was quite understandably going through their minds during the course of the action, just as they appeared well satisfied with the end result.
Officially Gadaffi himself was not a target, nor capturing him the purpose of the action.
However unofficially, I have little doubt what was quite understandably going through their minds during the course of the action, just as they appeared well satisfied with the end result.
I am surprised, well not really.
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Oct 22nd 2011, 8:57 pm
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I doubt you'd be ranting on so much about the manner of his passing had the lives of yourself and those close to you been ruined or destroyed by his horrific deeds and rule of fear, which no doubt touched on a large part of the Libyan population to one degree or another, including many of those who finally caught up with him.
Even with the support of Nato it took 8 months to beat Gaddafi. That should tell you that he had a hell of a lot of supporters that are prepared to fight for him. They had a leader that they were happy with, now they have a government imposed on them by the west.
What do you think these supporters will do now? Let me give you a clue, the same thing happened in Iraq & civil war is still raging now because of it. More Iraqi's have died in Iraq since the 2003 than ever died under Saddam's reign (& that's including casulaties from his war with Iran).
Oct 22nd 2011, 9:06 pm
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You may well be right, however, I think it was useful having that image sent round the world. It might make people like Assad of Syria think twice about the road he is on. Seeing Gaddafi die like that might make him think about cutting a deal, democracy for immunity, or something like that
So no the Syrians only concern is selling oil to China & India that the west wants. You could investigate some of the brutality that goes in in Saudi Arabia, but they'll never be invaded because they sell oil to the US.
Oct 22nd 2011, 9:12 pm
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What????? Gaddafi promised oil deals with several western countries (including the UK). These deals were dependent on Megrahi being released. When Megrahi was freed, Gaddafi went back on his word, & made the deals with China instead. France & Italy then struck deals with the rebels (before nato airstrikes even began). The rest as they say, is history.
So no the Syrians only concern is selling oil to China & India that the west wants. You could investigate some of the brutality that goes in in Saudi Arabia, but they'll never be invaded because they sell oil to the US.
So no the Syrians only concern is selling oil to China & India that the west wants. You could investigate some of the brutality that goes in in Saudi Arabia, but they'll never be invaded because they sell oil to the US.