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Old Jan 22nd 2013 | 6:27 am
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Originally Posted by jackytoo

A friends Daughter went to work in an orphanage in Africa. (salary paid by a charity, no childcare experience!)We visited whilst on holiday, all the carers were from the UK as was the Manager, handyman etc. Why?? they only needed one person to oversee the place, local people were capable of caring for the children, they would have had a wage which would have gone back into the economy
The British colonial mentally at its best

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Originally Posted by cricketman
The British colonial mentally at its best

Madness
Interesting leap of logic, 'mis-run orphanage in Africa' to 'British colonial mentality'.

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Old Jan 22nd 2013 | 8:54 am
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Originally Posted by Pocaloca
So, a question for you people who are cynical about Oxfam etc. Are they redundant? Would the world be better off if it was left to governments to administer foreign aid?
No, not redundant, but if a charity operates by paying it's boss say £50,why do some need to pay £140K? Or maybe even beter, take a leaf out of this person's book.
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Originally Posted by notacontrathinker
Interesting leap of logic, 'mis-run orphanage in Africa' to 'British colonial mentality'.

Care to share your workings with us ?
You really need it spelling out?

The locals are too poor and stupid to help themselves so we'd better bring some more Brits over to help them
 
Old Jan 22nd 2013 | 9:37 pm
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Originally Posted by jackytoo

A friends Daughter went to work in an orphanage in Africa. (salary paid by a charity, no childcare experience!)We visited whilst on holiday, all the carers were from the UK as was the Manager, handyman etc. Why?? they only needed one person to oversee the place, local people were capable of caring for the children, they would have had a wage which would have gone back into the economy. Save the Children is another rubbish charity BTW. Most of their bread and butter comes from little old ladies watching emotive TV ads!
A major problem in Africa is corruption and intimidation , if all we did was send them a cheque I`m sure we all know what would happen , many orphanages would collapse over night if there was not a big western presence/involvement.
Its going to get worse , Mali being a good example.
 
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Originally Posted by notacontrathinker
Interesting leap of logic, 'mis-run orphanage in Africa' to 'British colonial mentality'.

Care to share your workings with us ?
For lack of any understanding of the world he lives in (I sense he doesn't get out much), the guy simply puts everything into terms he can believe: For example, blaming bureaucracy and incompetence on British colonial mentality (something which obviously became passé long ago, but remains amongst his favourite explanations for everything).

He usually fails to think through his theories (or even understand the meaning of the terms he's using), and therefore often finds himself stranded in the pits, where he inevitably chooses to dig a deeper hole in an effort to escape.

I find it rather entertaining, actually.
 
Old Jan 22nd 2013 | 10:35 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas
For lack of any understanding of the world he lives in (I sense he doesn't get out much), the guy simply puts everything into terms he can believe: For example, blaming bureaucracy and incompetence on British colonial mentality (something which obviously became passé long ago, but remains amongst his favourite explanations for everything).

He usually fails to think through his theories (or even understand the meaning of the terms he's using), and therefore often finds himself stranded in the pits, where he inevitably chooses to dig a deeper hole in an effort to escape.

I find it rather entertaining, actually.
 
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Originally Posted by cricketman
You really need it spelling out?

The locals are too poor and stupid to help themselves so we'd better bring some more Brits over to help them
Thank you for spelling it out for me.

I think the ‘British colonial mentality’ lives only in your mind.

When we gave up our processions around the world, all the governors, administrators, judges, police and soldiers came home. They did have a colonialist mentality and needed it. The Germans have always been puzzled how such a small number of Brits controlled so many subjects around the world.

However, they were replaced by us, the people from the back streets of Bury, Bolton, Harrogate, Woking and Tunbridge Wells. Ordinary people like us bank clerks, lorry-drivers, nurses, mill workers, managers etc, who go out into the world on holiday or to work or to live. They do all this without the benefit of the protection of the British Army or British law. We do eat ‘the foreign muck with garlic in it’, we respect local customs and the local people, and we eagerly respect the laws of foreign lands when and if we know them. British colonialism does not exist any more, except in Alicante.

The modern Brit doesn’t run round the world with an air of superiority any more, and if they do, it’s not for long. We’re a whole new breed. Although I do sometimes feel the locals are disappointed when I turn up and not a ‘Milord’.

I don’t know the ins and outs of the orphanage case, but before “British colonial mentality” as the reason, I would surely put ‘incompetence’ , ‘stupidity’ or ‘mismanagement’.

‘British’ if you will.
 
Old Jan 23rd 2013 | 2:56 am
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Originally Posted by jimenato
Incidentally "virtually all the money collected after the earthquake was handed over to the US govt" - any evidence of that?
OK I exaggerated a bit. But three years after the quake, nearly half a million Haitians were still living in tents, while Humanitarian Aid for Earthquake Victims Used to Build Five Star Hotels

In the year following the 2010 earthquake, things were no different. In fact, of the $1.14 billion allocated to Haitian Rebuilding and Relief in 2010 by the US Congress, according to the US Government Accountability Office (or GAO), only $184 million had been actually "obligated to projects" at the end of 2010. Today as the guys with the green eyeshades get more deeply involved, it becomes clear that in the wake of the Haitian earthquake of 2010 the US government began to pay itself back for its humanitarian graciousness as much as it actually helped the people of Haiti.

Of the original $1.4 billion allocated by Congress, according to a most recent GAO report, $655 million in funds was reimbursed to the Department of Defense (which, admirably, spent its own money to put ships offshore, drop food and medical aid to those who needed it, bring in troops to secure the airport at Port-au-Prince and provide emergency medical services).

Another $220 million went to repay the US Department of Health and Human Services (which gave goods, food and grants to Haitian evacuees for food and shelter); $350 million went to disaster assistance (an umbrella term that includes everything from medical care to sanitation); $150 million to the US Department of Agriculture (for emergency food and forward-thinking agricultural programs in Haiti); and $15 million to the Department of Homeland Security for Immigration fees and aircraft fares for the lucky few Haitian refugees brought to the United States.
Huffington Post - Haiti earthquake two years on
 
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Notacontrthinker the British run around apologising and appeasing nowaday.

Just a postscript to Oxfam

£40,000 for refugee and asylum seeking women in Wales from the big lottery fund
Climate change Advocacy Officer Uganda (about £500,000 for this over 2 years.) Likewise monitoring effects of economic crisis Vietnam.

Staff on high salaries

15 receive 60,000 to 69,999
9 70,000 79,999
7 80,000 89,000
1 90,000 99,000
3 100,000 109,999

The Chief executive's travel expenses totalled £48,000 last year!
 
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Originally Posted by Pocaloca
OK I exaggerated a bit. But three years after the quake, nearly half a million Haitians were still living in tents,
What were they living in before the earthquake?
 
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What were they living in before the earthquake?


 
Old Jan 23rd 2013 | 3:16 am
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Main street Cap-Haitien 1979 Haiti's 2nd largest city.
 
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I have been to Haiti twice. The poverty is so bad, worse than most of Africa, they could have provided a home for everyone using local labour for a 50th of what was raised by charities!

Whatever you say about the USA they are the largest providers of aid.
 


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