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Old Jan 21st 2013 | 4:00 am
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Originally Posted by Pocaloca
Well, no-one seems to be able to come up with a good reason why the building most symbolic of western wealth and capital, i.e. the World Trade Center, was the prime al Qaeda target.

It's pretty obvious to me - look at the list of tenants. Morgan Stanley, Lehmann Bros, Marsh & McLennan, the Bank of America, AIG, etc etc. (all those "too big to fail" names who seven years later brought about the a global financial crisis). I bet lots of those 100 billionaires work(ed) for those companies at some point.

Looks pretty rational to me. I'm not saying it was justified, of course, but I don't think it was motivated by religion. Like most wars, religion is just a façade used to cover up a deeper hatred. It was an attack on wealth, just like the Russian and French revolutions were.
It wasn't the only target on the day.
Consider the others before jumping to conclusions.
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 4:18 am
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
It wasn't the only target on the day.
Consider the others before jumping to conclusions.
And what about the Madrid bombings, the London tube bombings, the Mali bombing, the attack on USS Cole, the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the car bombing of the Danish embassy in Pakistan (directly because of the Mohammed cartoons), and....

The list is endless. Poca appears to have cherry-picked one incident to 'prove' her agenda.
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 4:22 am
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Originally Posted by Domino
But the pensions at the top should be looked at as they are not always included in the general company pension scheme, as they are individual to the employee as part of their salary package.

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Agree, many charity workers are allowed around 9% to 12% of their salary to take out their own pension. My car allowance used to be more than an MP's...could have changed now
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 4:26 am
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Originally Posted by jimenato
And what about the Madrid bombings, the London tube bombings, the Mali bombing, the attack on USS Cole, the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the car bombing of the Danish embassy in Pakistan (directly because of the Mohammed cartoons), and....

The list is endless. Poca appears to have cherry-picked one incident to 'prove' her agenda.
The almost weekly bombing of Christian churches in Egypt too!
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by Pocaloca
Well, no-one seems to be able...

If it was an uprising by the oppressed masses to redistribute the wealth of the rich, why try to crack the biggest nut of all, the US, first ?

There's oodles of money lying around the Islamic Middle East that is infinitely easier for al Queda to grab and hand out to the starving hordes, as well as to provide necessary finance for their 'revolution'.



On topic, I'm still going to give to Guide Dogs for the Blind, whatever.
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 9:30 pm
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Originally Posted by jimenato
And what about the Madrid bombings, the London tube bombings, the Mali bombing, the attack on USS Cole, the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the car bombing of the Danish embassy in Pakistan (directly because of the Mohammed cartoons), and....

The list is endless. Poca appears to have cherry-picked one incident to 'prove' her agenda.
I don't have an agenda. I just think its important to try and ask WHY these awful things happen. Until we do that, we don't have a bat's chance in hell of stopping them happening in future. You will never be able to bomb these people out of existence.
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 10:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Pocaloca
I don't have an agenda. I just think its important to try and ask WHY these awful things happen. Until we do that, we don't have a bat's chance in hell of stopping them happening in future. You will never be able to bomb these people out of existence.
sorry, but you will never get the opportunity to sit down with one or two and ask them a single question.
they don't like being questioned - probably because they have no real answers
they don't like being told what to do - probably because they have no real thoughts of their own

their leaders believe they are doing the preparation for the Mahdi who, according to Islamic traditions, will come before the end of time to make the entire world Muslim, making his way easier.

religious zealots will do whatever they are told by anyone they look up to, usually an imam or teacher. they will not think, they will have no regrets or doubts. They will just do.
there is no reasoning with them.

you would be better off wasting your time trying to explain why earthquakes happen, why people get killed by natural disasters, why people get killed in road accidents.

sorry to be harsh, but thats the way of it.
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 10:51 pm
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The West can never compromise with them. They want what cant be given...Muslim states ith sharia law and all the other crap that comes with it. Everyone thought the Arab spring was about democracy poverty, jobs. (well I didn't) but it was all about getting Islamist states and going backwards. Even the President of Syria looks mild compared to whats waiting in the wings...Apres moi le deluge!
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 11:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Pocaloca
You will never be able to bomb these people out of existence.
Yes you could but of course we are decent people so genocide is not on our agenda their agenda on the otherhand..........
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 11:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Garbatellamike
Yes you could but of course we are decent people so genocide is not on our agenda their agenda on the otherhand..........
Is this is a serious post?

We've recently killed 650,000 Iraqi civilians, if that isnt genocide then I dont know what is
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 11:08 pm
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Originally Posted by cricketman
Is this is a serious post?

We've recently killed 650,000 Iraqi civilians, if that isnt genocide then I dont know what is
Don't talk rubbish- we went in there based on Tony's dodgy dossier in the naive belief that we could create a liberal western democracy and the result was a huge death toll. If we had wanted to do the genocide piece that would have been easy to do by aerial bombing
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 11:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Garbatellamike
Don't talk rubbish- we went in there based on Tony's dodgy dossier in the naive belief that we could create a liberal western democracy and the result was a huge death toll. If we had wanted to do the genocide piece that would have been easy to do by aerial bombing
Most of those deaths were caused by aerial bombing
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 11:14 pm
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Most of those deaths were caused by aerial bombing
Yeah right not by IEDs and small arms then - total bollox CM
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 11:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Pocaloca
I don't have an agenda...
But we do know why they are bombing us. It is in retaliation for the massacre of Muslims by the United States and it's agents in Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Mali.

It is a holy war in defence of their religion.

Bonkers, of course.



On topic :

I was always under the impression that the selling of lottery tickets in Spain was the preserve of the charity for the blind and they alone could sell them.

Obviously not the case anymore wth all the lottery shops lying around.

Could Pocaloca with her knowledge of Spain (or anyone else) put me straight ?

Thanking you in advance.
 
Old Jan 21st 2013 | 11:59 pm
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Originally Posted by notacontrathinker

I was always under the impression that the selling of lottery tickets in Spain was the preserve of the charity for the blind and they alone could sell them.

Obviously not the case anymore wth all the lottery shops lying around.

Could Pocaloca with her knowledge of Spain (or anyone else) put me straight ?

Thanking you in advance.
There are two separate lottery companies - ONCE (sold by blind and disabled people on the street and in kiosks) and the state-owned Lotería Nacional, sold in shops bearing the blue and white sign.
 


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