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Old Jan 31st 2012 | 7:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Domino
very small minded attitude, "I'm alright Jack so sod the rest of the world.!"

these are the times when the inner buddhist comes out in me, because the butterfly doesnt cry out when you rip its wings off doesnt mean it doesnt feel pain.
when man meets his first et, will that et laugh as it rips mans arms and legs off.?
So I take it you would rather live in harmony with the cockroaches, rats and other types of Gods creatures, than exterminate them?
 
Old Jan 31st 2012 | 7:33 pm
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So I take it you would rather live in harmony with the cockroaches, rats and other types of Gods creatures, than exterminate them?
man has been trying to exterminate the cockroach and its relatives for over 4000years without any success

depends on "harmony", make things clean, no food lying around and they won't come round, prefering the dirty places.

you will never stop them from living, just not where you live.
 
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Default Re: Flying with Dogs

Originally Posted by Domino
very small minded attitude, "I'm alright Jack so sod the rest of the world.!"

these are the times when the inner buddhist comes out in me, because the butterfly doesnt cry out when you rip its wings off doesnt mean it doesnt feel pain.
when man meets his first et, will that et laugh as it rips mans arms and legs off.?
Originally Posted by JLFS
So I take it you would rather live in harmony with the cockroaches, rats and other types of Gods creatures, than exterminate them?
Fishermen tell me it doesn't hurt the fish to be pulled out of the water by a hook in the mouth, but non of them ever try it themselves.
 
Old Jan 31st 2012 | 11:26 pm
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We flew 2 dogs and a cat to the USA from Spain. I think we were more traumatised than the dogs

Our 2 cats flew Monarch when we returned to the UK. cost about £850. We took the dogs by car. When we collected them a woman was waiting for a cat she had brought from New Zealand!

A friend flew in with her dog last week from USA and had to wait 4 hours for the dog at cargo. Apparently they have been very busy since the restrictions were relaxed.
 
Old Jan 31st 2012 | 11:37 pm
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WOW!!! Didnt thing this question would cause this many arguements I have come to the conclusion I am going to put domino down he seems to be getting very irritible! And try and fly the dog as he would not like kennels he is 9 years old and always has to be touching a human ie if he sits next to you he has to lean on you so kennels I would feel bad doing and flying seems so short and I have got tablets to calm him down. I will try speaking to Monarch but I know alot of airlines dont like taking bull terrior breeds. I have also put a advert on shiply to see how much a pet transport company will charge but it just seems so long for him to be in a car.
 
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It's simple, all you need is a little chat with the vet, ask for a tablet to keep them calm for two hours or so, works a treat.
 
Old Feb 1st 2012 | 2:17 am
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Originally Posted by simonbentley
WOW!!! Didnt thing this question would cause this many arguements I have come to the conclusion I am going to put domino down he seems to be getting very irritible! And try and fly the dog as he would not like kennels he is 9 years old and always has to be touching a human ie if he sits next to you he has to lean on you so kennels I would feel bad doing and flying seems so short and I have got tablets to calm him down. I will try speaking to Monarch but I know alot of airlines dont like taking bull terrior breeds. I have also put a advert on shiply to see how much a pet transport company will charge but it just seems so long for him to be in a car.
Simon, I don't have distemper, rabies or anything else, and all my jabs are up to date. Am I unusual in actually thinking about the "best friend" ??

It has always been your decision, and I have taken your original posting to want to discuss it with others.
Because someone walks across a busy main road without getting hit doesn't mean you can do it and get away with it.

Many people here are citing instances where they have put their "best friend" in the hold. Their decision, but always thinking of themselves first.

I noted you have a pit bull, a potentially unstable dog, hence the reason why some carriers balk at taking them. So what is the long term effect on such a dog.?

If your decision is based on using a car/van service from Spain to UK and you are saying it is a long time in a vehicle, it will be the same on the way back with you and your car.

caveat emptor

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Fishermen tell me it doesn't hurt the fish to be pulled out of the water by a hook in the mouth, but non of them ever try it themselves.
in the same way as they suffer no stress when pulled from the sea by a net, to lie gasping on the deck of the trawler ??
in the same way as lobsters don't feel anything when put live into boiling water ??

 
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Default Re: Flying with Dogs

Originally Posted by Domino
very small minded attitude, "I'm alright Jack so sod the rest of the world.!"

these are the times when the inner buddhist comes out in me, because the butterfly doesnt cry out when you rip its wings off doesnt mean it doesnt feel pain.
when man meets his first et, will that et laugh as it rips mans arms and legs off.?
Not sure what you're talking about. All I can say is its possibly not very pleasant for dogs to be on a lead, put into a car, kept in a kennel outside... They dont understand any of what we do to them and with them in this day and age. To be in a crate in an aircraft probably isnt very nice, but then there are a lot of humans that dont want to be in an aircraft either - the dogs saving grace is they dont understand the concept of time or that they are 3000 ft off the ground!

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Default Re: Flying with Dogs

Originally Posted by Domino
Simon, I don't have distemper, rabies or anything else, and all my jabs are up to date. Am I unusual in actually thinking about the "best friend" ??

It has always been your decision, and I have taken your original posting to want to discuss it with others.
Because someone walks across a busy main road without getting hit doesn't mean you can do it and get away with it.

Many people here are citing instances where they have put their "best friend" in the hold. Their decision, but always thinking of themselves first.

I noted you have a pit bull, a potentially unstable dog, hence the reason why some carriers balk at taking them. So what is the long term effect on such a dog.?

If your decision is based on using a car/van service from Spain to UK and you are saying it is a long time in a vehicle, it will be the same on the way back with you and your car.

caveat emptor
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Old Feb 1st 2012 | 4:25 am
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Default Re: Flying with Dogs

Originally Posted by Domino
in the same way as they suffer no stress when pulled from the sea by a net, to lie gasping on the deck of the trawler ??
in the same way as lobsters don't feel anything when put live into boiling water ??

You must be a vegetarian, Am I right?
 
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Originally Posted by jojojojojo
Not sure what you're talking about. All I can say is its possibly not very pleasant for dogs to be on a lead, put into a car, kept in a kennel outside... They dont understand any of what we do to them and with them in this day and age. To be in a crate in an aircraft probably isnt very nice, but then there are a lot of humans that dont want to be in an aircraft either - the dogs saving grace is they dont understand the concept of time or that they are 3000 ft off the ground!

Jo xxx
Jo where do you get these ideas from ??
you profess to know all about dogs and then come out with the biggest load of excrement possible.

a dog is a routined animal, even when living wild will call at locations at the same or similar time. a pet dog builds a routine around time, which you would know if you have ever had a dog that routinely needs to go out to the toilet.
We had a dog that had to go out when Big Ben struck 10pm for News at Ten. When that was stopped she still got up at the same time.

because a dog doesnt wear a watch doesnt mean it has no concept of time, its us that fritter it away that need the continual reminder of when we are
some members of this forum have stated they haven't worn a watch since coming here, they have settled into a routine based on their inner concept of time.
 
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You must be a vegetarian, Am I right?
no way, need the protein, get withdrawal symptoms after 2-3 days of rabbit food
 
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Originally Posted by Domino
in the same way as they suffer no stress when pulled from the sea by a net, to lie gasping on the deck of the trawler ??
in the same way as lobsters don't feel anything when put live into boiling water ??

There is a website called fishinghurts.com I haven't brought myself to log in and watch but I sincerely believe that fishing must hurt by way of fish having a central nervous system. I am a vegetarian and I wouldn't like to be a part in any pain/harm coming to any living thing through my own actions.
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Originally Posted by anonimouse
It's simple, all you need is a little chat with the vet, ask for a tablet to keep them calm for two hours or so, works a treat.
Most airlines don't allow sedation now. There is a special place in the hold for pets, it is dark because they settle better.

As for fish feeling pain, whatever is said I am sure they do. Some of my family go deep sea fishing and I have often gone along for the ride. I always disappear when a fish is caught. Can't stand to see them gasping for breath

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