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Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 9662699)
But Juan, who is it that is at risk with the gipsies, them or the Spaniards.?
Would it be too much for both sides to give a little take a little. I think I know the answer to that one, but should be considered. To like the open country, certain music etc doesnt make a gipsy, in the same way as living in a house doesnt make a Spaniard. ISTR there is at least one block of flats in Granada's Pulianus district that is occupied by gipsies. But how can they have their own laws.? That should not be allowed.! Dom And as for you "living in a house does not make a Spaniard":confused: obviously it does not make you a Spaniard, not if you are Greek Chinese British or Icelandic. |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9662738)
Aint it nice to now that as "fully intergrated" peeps, you now have the same status as a fully intergrated diswasher, fridge, freezer etc. Well done.:rofl::rofl:
I must get an "intergrater rater" to give me the once over. But remember if you watch a sly bit of Corrie or Eastenders, then you could slip down to "almost, por un pelo, skin of your teeth, not intergrated. I seem to spend a huge amount of time moving things from one to another, anyway ;) like I said - I personally have no idea if we're integrated - it's not something I think about at all really, not that I'm even sure what it means..............& I'm not sure I really care we've been in the same town nearly 8 years, we know a lot of people & they know us - so we are part of the community, for sure we live the life we live because it's convenient & comfortable we speak Spanish - the kids have no choice at all, & I chose to learn because I didn't want to miss out on anything - and especially because I felt I had to for my kids' sake - my OH can't, but he is away a lot anyway we watch Spanish tele now through choice - but for quite some time it was simply because we couldn't afford a dish or cable service for UK tele - now I'm glad, because I'm sure that helped with learning Spanish :) & if I wanted to watch Eastenders or Corrie I'd for sure find a way :p I just can't stand any of the soaps -didn't watch them much in the UK & certainly wouldn't go out of my way to watch them now |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9662761)
Sounds good in theory like lets tell the cat to live in peace with the mice, why dont you tell it to the gyspies.
And as for you "living in a house does not make a Spaniard":confused: obviously it does not make you a Spaniard, not if you are Greek Chinese British or Icelandic. thanks |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Is "More integrated is better, less integrated is worse" what people on here feel?
Do people here look down upon the less integrated? Or are people on here non-judgemental and feel that people should live their lives as they want to unless what they do affects others adversely? |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 9662637)
HBG, you ask why early retirees should bother to register as an extranjero or sign on the padron if it doesn't entitle them to free medical treatment.
Well, the first is a legal requirement and by not doing the second they deprive their local area of funding that is allocated according to the size of the town's population. Disregarding the laws and civic obligations of your adopted country is wrong, isn't it? Hundreds of Spanish mayors, lawyers, bank officials, all kinds of politicians, even some police chiefs either have been or are currently before the courts charged with corruption running into millions. Maybe we can forgive those expats who don't register for their stay in Spain, no one has ever been prosecuted for failing to do so and no one has ever been deported because of it. And those who have stood in many a queue for hours now have a daft piece of paper to reward them, which serves no useful purpose. I've got one, I've got a large cardboard box full of such nonsense. |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 9663106)
Of course it is, but maybe there is a mitigating factor for those tens of thousands in illegal homes who have been cheated by the Spanish authorities at an appalling level. I won't mention the Priors. it's been mentioned too many times, but thousands more have worthless bank guarantees and have bought homes which were either never completed, of quite often not even started.
Hundreds of Spanish mayors, lawyers, bank officials, all kinds of politicians, even some police chiefs either have been or are currently before the courts charged with corruption running into millions. Maybe we can forgive those expats who don't register for their stay in Spain, no one has ever been prosecuted for failing to do so and no one has ever been deported because of it. And those who have stood in many a queue for hours now have a daft piece of paper to reward them, which serves no useful purpose. I've got one, I've got a large cardboard box full of such nonsense. I supose given the moral ineptitude of the banking fraternity, I would be within my rights to go and rob a bank any time I wanted since that is what the bankers do on a daily basis. They robbed another £85 billion of British people's money yesterday, about 5% of which will be directly paid as bonuses to just a few hundred bankers. |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9663126)
Two wrongs dont make a right
I supose given the moral ineptitude of the banking fraternity, I would be within my rights to go and rob a bank any time I wanted since that is what the bankers do on a daily basis. They robbed another £85 billion of British people's money yesterday, about 5% of which will be directly paid as bonuses to just a few hundred bankers. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...trial-marbella |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9663126)
Two wrongs dont make a right
I supose given the moral ineptitude of the banking fraternity, I would be within my rights to go and rob a bank any time I wanted since that is what the bankers do on a daily basis. They robbed another £85 billion of British people's money yesterday, about 5% of which will be directly paid as bonuses to just a few hundred bankers. That it will go to those at the top of the t/o rankings (they usually have better credit ratings) and nothing to the small business of 4 or 5 people is the scandal. |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 9663186)
no I cant believe that, it has been given to provide funding\loans for small and medium business with t/o of no more than about £50m pa.
That it will go to those at the top of the t/o rankings (they usually have better credit ratings) and nothing to the small business of 4 or 5 people is the scandal. So yes, the vast majority is being targetted for small or medium businesses, but if a banker loans say £100 million over the next 12 months then he'll get a good % of that as bonus (perhaps not as high as 5%). So getting paid a bonus for money the bank never had in the first place and were given by the tax payer! |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 9663163)
I happen to agree with you. Here's the link I should have provided along with my post about Spanish corruption:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...trial-marbella Bankers are only interested about their slice of the pie. Once the banks eventually stop being rescued (this time will come) they wont care. They've stockpiled millions for their own personal use. Nowadays in the UK and US, government and banks are the same thing. No surprise that the British government is full of Old-Etonian sons of bankers. |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 9662974)
Is "More integrated is better, less integrated is worse" what people on here feel?
Do people here look down upon the less integrated? Or are people on here non-judgemental and feel that people should live their lives as they want to unless what they do affects others adversely? But there is a Whiff of oneupmanship about when talking about intergration.:) |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9663385)
I am one of the latter............
But there is a Whiff of oneupmanship about when talking about intergration.:) Sean Connery had a pretty big club and mixed well with Marbella society when he had his beach top villa there and haunted the local golf courses with his mates, the Marbella aristocrats. He's hiding in the Bahamas now, hoping the Spanish anti-corruption authorities can't extradite him back to take his place in the dock of Marbella No1 court to join 95 of his former mates with whom he integrated rather too well. |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9663385)
I am one of the latter............
But there is a Whiff of oneupmanship about when talking about intergration.:) |
Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Oh the irony...this thread cracks me up:rofl:
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Re: Define Integration. As distinct from immigration!
Story time? It gets away from hairy-fairy speculations.
An English family moved into the end of my street some 12 years ago, nice people from the south coast. They came over with a baby and a 12-year old daughter. Some six years later their marriage floundered and they returned to the UK. The daughter had flourished into a beautiful girl attending a Spanish school and attracted a horde of Spanish admirers of her own age wherever she went. She returned home to England with her parents, but I saw her soon afterwards, squatting in the parents house. The story doesn't have a happy ending, the daughter is still here, under terrible circumstances which don't need elaborating, an example of integration that went horribly wrong. |
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