Rosemary

Some people are exempt from wearing a mask due to other health problems making breathing difficult with a mask.

However, I have often wondered why they do not utilise a face shield instead as surely this would not restrict their breathing and would be better than wearing nothing as this would be a layer of protection for other people that they come into contact with.

Taking responsibility for yourself and others is respectful.

Rosemary

agree_to_disagree

So how do you know that wasn't going to happen anyway? Anyone can pluck random examples from the air to back up what they are saying.

But it is the scientists, who have used statistics, to demonstrate that the use of vaccines is safe and provides protection.

Do you have any data to support your bizarre views?

Chipmonk

Murcia is operating new restrictions as of tomorrow. All non essential businesses shut at 1.00am -6.00am. Restaurants, discos pubs etc

Jon-Bxl

I had just seen it on BBC news on TV when I posted it - it was a short news item about how different countries were responding to the situation... Not a lot of detail, but it piqued my interest in the ethical arguments on either side.

But its easy to just search for it on the web....

​​​​​​ E.g

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...for-covid-care

I mentioned duty of care and the Hippocratic oath, (my personal interpretation) and this article shows that the doctors are against it, but the politicians are seriously considering it.

Also I mentioned the opposite side of the 'coin' i.e these unvaxed taking up hospital resources that have delayed other key treatments.

A conundrum...

I remain confused about this for the reasons I mentioned, and haven't chosen a 'side'.. and wonder what people think.

Jon
Australia’s peak doctors body has criticised an “unethical” proposal to charge unvaccinated people for their medical care that is being considered by the New South Wales government.

The state’s health minister, Brad Hazzard, confirmed the government was looking at forcing people who had not received the jab to pay for their medical bills if they required hospital treatment for Covid.

“This is an option under consideration by the NSW government,” Hazzard said in a statement on Wednesday evening after it was first reported by Sydney radio station 2GB.

Chipmonk

TBH I would have thought that it must be very embarrassing to have refused the vaccine on anything other then fear of needles ( which is understandable) and end up in hospital. I mean how do you reason to yourself?. Do you still insist on believing that it is just a cold? Do you not feel grateful to people helping you by putting themselves at risk. If I was someone who refused a vaccine and believed in my principles I would have the balls to take my chances on my own than go begging for help. Now isnt that the kind of fighting talk these folk profess to like?

Jon-Bxl

Just by chance I was watching the programme after BBC breakfast this morning. One presenter mentioned that he wad scared of needles, but he was fully vaccinated. He also mentioned something that Id never heard of before, a cream that dulls the pain of tattoos. He used it for the vaccination and didn't feel a thing. A great idea and I wonder why that hasn't been suggested many times before. So I searched for it...

E.g

https://www.savedtattoo.com/best-tattoo-numbing-cream/

Jon

Chipmonk

I dont think it is necessarily the pain as the idea that creates the phobia. Either way I can accept that as a reason not to want to get vaccinated. I think that some adults can get very stressed by the idea ( usually due to a childhood experience) and the reaction could be fainting which they might feel embarrassed by. However, people refusing because it infringes their human rights ( try Afghanistan maybe), or that it is part of some satan loving billionaire-paedophine group, or that it is going to make you feel ill or give you a 60% chance of a stroke etc are entitled to their opinions but at least they should stick to their principles and not bother pleading with a doctor( who actually risks catching the virus daily) to help them. Fair enough?

Chipmonk

I dont think it is necessarily the pain as the idea that creates the phobia. Either way I can accept that as a reason not to want to get vaccinated. I think that some adults can get very stressed by the idea ( usually due to a childhood experience) and the reaction could be fainting which they might feel embarrassed by. However, people refusing because it infringes their human rights ( try Afghanistan maybe), or that it is part of some satan loving billionaire-paedophine group, or that it is going to make you feel ill or give you a 60% chance of a stroke etc are entitled to their opinions but at least they should stick to their principles and not bother pleading with a doctor( who actually risks catching the virus daily) to help them. Fair enough?

Jon-Bxl

If I may, I'd like to separate out specifically the needle phobia from the larger discussion, please.

There are 'levels' of phobia from mild to severe. I found the tatoo cream idea a wonderful idea. After all it worked out for the presenter, so it should work for a percentage of the phobia-group.

If I hadn't heard of it - then I'm sure others haven't either. So if this idea can 'get around' it will help to get more people vaxed.... As it did for the presenter. I'm glad he mentioned it on TV as s start.

The more the merrier

Jon

Fredbargate

Part of Gibraltars Chief Minister's address to the country this afternoon

Mr Picardo described how two of the patients currently in hospital were men in their 70s, one jabbed, the other unvaccinated by choice. The former was on the Covid-19 ward, the latter was intubated in the ICU.

Had he been jabbed, Mr Picardo said, he would “very, very, very likely” have avoided the need for intubation.

“That would have saved our health professionals a huge amount of stress, time and expense on his care,” he said.

Mr Picardo said the decision not to get jabbed carried “consequences”.

He urged people with concerns about vaccination to discuss these with their doctor.

“Don’t ask Facebook, Google or YouTube,” he said.

Also today the split of Delta and Omicron is aroung 60-40 however it takes around three days for test results

Fredbargate

I have needle phobia to the point that I switch off the TV if someone is knitting

For almost two years now everytime I switch the TV on there is a picture of a hypodermic.

However I have had three jabs

Stingychips

Most of the voluntary un vaxed at the hospital (Bradford)ward my brother works in are Asian and/or obese. They are the people who are really Sick on the covid ward. So people would really have to tread carefully when it comes to that issue. Most vulnerable white people have had their jabs. Same can’t be said about the BAME community.

Fredbargate

Are you now trying to bring RACISM into this thread to justify your opinion?

Rosemary I fell these last two posts should be removed.

Stingychips

nothing racist about that post. Just stating facts about the large percentage of unvaccinated BAME community that covid measures would ostracise. Especially revoking peoples medical care. You really are a wet flannel.

Rosemary

You have never made any secret of the fact that you are racist. If indeed you are purely stating a fact and not being racist you need to provide a link to prove what you have said.

Rosemary