What total CRAP, raised this post as it is a demonstration to those who obvioussly closed minds that rape, and abuse of women has got BUGGER all to do with religion.
I know for some anything that does not demonise on particular religion is not allowed .
Was Jimmy Savill a Muslim?? I suppose he must have been !!

I know why you started the thread? You don't fool anyone.

So taking a leaf out of your book, yes rape and and abuse happens all over the world, we all acknowledge the fact, but here is another which country is this question.

Where are there 6500 girls at risk of Fgm a year?
so apart from the problems women face whatever nationality or where the live, this is an added threat to their person, which is inflicted only on certain groups of females.

A hint: it is not a Muslim country.

I take it you did not bother to read the article and have no concern for the thousands of women murdered in Brazil.
This week is the anniversary of the Ruanda genocide where again tens thousands of women and children were raped and murdered in a so called Christian nation.
I have not read one word from those who condemn rightly the atititude in some muslim communities that condemns the same levels of violence towards women in " so called " Christian nations.

A cynic joining this forum could assum that some on here do not actually care about the victims only the religion of the abuser. rapist. murderer.

I'm starting to suspect these continuous examples of how the west is responsible for all the world's evils - despite all evidence to the contrary - have more to do with winding up a forum than any sort of personal conviction.

Besides, using "the UK/US/EU/the west does it too" or "they're all racist" is often a successful tactic for deflecting attention away from the issue, especially when when at risk of losing the argument - even when it's overused/abused/exaggerated.

Moral of the story: We probably shouldn't feed the trolls. But then again, there is the entertainment value... especially when you get the trolls all fluxamoxed

Do you agree yes or know that when the opportunity, culture, religion provides an excuse man will carry out apalling acts against his fellows.

Are you suggesting that there is difference between a man who wrongly believes that the religion he follows allows him to act in a certain way than a Brazilian who attacks a girl because of the way she dresses.
Or the rapists in Ruanda or those who set up rape camps in Serbia.

I want people to come out in the open and admit their true reasons for posting.
I know what i think they are, are they brave enough to admit it.

How very true, the moral of the story observation is pure genious.

If I had been on the receiving end of the 'outing', I would stop digging, and lay low for a while.

Flummoxed or not trolls will try to justify their stance, to save face, even though nobody is fooled.

No, what I'm suggesting is much simpler than that.

I admit I am against the perverted barstewards who hack chunks off the girls bits, force girls into marriage, and rule with an iron fist in a country like the UK where it is against the law.

It is not a question of being brave, it's a question of being truthful.

So now will you admit that you started the thread because the Spain forum was as dead as the Portugal forum in the subject of 'ism' threads?

You found it impossible to go cold turkey, without showing us all how tolerant you are, and needed a fix.

If there are no 'isms' for you to defend, you create one.

sussed, sussed, sussed.

Don't forget this post of mine would not have been written (or any others) if you had not engineered the whole thing by starting a thread, that would by its very nature, go along this way.

Are we fooled?

No way.

Yet again you fail to answer any questions and respond in your usual blinkered manner.

What my post has revealed is the depth of bigotry of some , including you.
Your lack of comment regarding the acts carried out against women in other societies and so called religions speaks volumes.

What I am saying is all women of all races and religions are potential victims of violence and abuse, from multiple sources.

But for certain groups of women/girls there is another threat they face, which women who are not of those groups, races or religions do not have to contend with.

For example a ginger haired blue eyed catholic girl from harrogate, will probably not be sent out to Pakistan, or have a woman in the UK, hack bits off her pubies, ie she will remain as nature intended.

Not so within other groups, who will have the offending body parts chopped off, in a very painful and undignified fashion.

And you defend these dirty pigs by bringing in your usual rubbish about it all being the same.

While not condoning domestic violence or other types of abuse, I would rather suffer a beating, then get rid of the husband, than have the lifelong pain and all the 'desgracia' that goes with fgm.

And if you still are being so obtuse, ask yourself this, would you rather have a good punching or have the end if your penis chopped of with a bread knife?

I bet it's not the same when put like that.

To answer your question yes, men will use religion or whatever as an excuse.

But some religions have more opportunities in certain religions or culture to abuse women.

If a Methodist had his girls bits hacked off the barsteward would be in jail, and doing a long stretch.

Those who use religion as a defense get away with it.

And crap like that has no place in the UK. The rest if the world is beyond our control, the UK is not.

Happy now you have started the whole thing off again, and the 'usual suspects will be blamed.

Btw I still have not had any replies of examples where it shows women get a fair deal under Islam, any takers?

Ask a girl if she gives a ( add your own expletive ) what the race or religion is of the person who rapes or assaults her.
It is the victims you should be thinking of not the religion of the abuser /attacker.

You asked this before, and were given many examples of Muslim women "getting a fair deal", I think you chose to ignore them.

Everyone on this forum has expressed abhorrence for the practices of radical extreme Muslim atrocities against women.
Yes it should be dealt with as any other crime. As the above OP has said for a women to be beaten, raped or murdered is a heinous crime whoever is responsible and that is irrespective of the religion or non-religion of the man responsible or a woman accomplice.

To view all Muslim men or women as though they are 'identical clones' is wrong. For a start their quite a number of different Muslim groups and they vary tremendously in their way of life. I think you may have a biased view, because many, by no means all, in the UK are from Pakistan, where they tend to be stricter in their following of religion.

Perhaps so, but it is rare in places like UK and Spain which are Christian countries.
However, in hard line Muslim countries it would appear to be the norm, no one tells them they are wrong, no one stops trading with them, no one stops making Charity donations to them.

For a religion that is almost 1400 years old perhaps it is about time they started taking their heads out of the sand and started listening to the rest of the world which has left them behind.

Funny (peculiar) they are the ones telling us that we don't understand them and should live by their religious laws. Such would be a retrograde step.

It is about time the "silent majority" in the Muslim religion stopped wringing their hands and muttering "we are a peace loving religion" and did something about it.

Actually I agree with you in principle but you are making the mistake that many in the west do,
The catholic church is headed up by the Pope and Cardinals.
The Anglican church by its Bishops and Archbishops,

There is no such global hierachy in Islam ,there is probably no national hierachy in the UK.
let alone all the various sects and national variations within Islam.

All you can expect is for individual Imans to speak out for their community .
Having said that it is time that more did.