Similar things are happening in Marina Esuri. Getting back from a trip we came across a car load of young locals trying to force open the gate. They let me through and tried to tailgate me. Unfortunately being such an inept driver I couldn't get going until the gate had shut behind me. We took a load of abuse - (I think as it was all in Spanish). A little later on they turned up in our pool. When I glared at them they dissappeared and, I think, went to another manzana.

Not paying the condominium fees is very common in Pedras d'el Rei and Rainha.
The only muscle the condominium seems to have is to refuse to arrange any lettings for those apts.

As legal rep of the community the president has the power to get the money due by sale of the property if need be.

The trouble seems to be that Fedesa do not let anyone know who buys the property, they just tell you if it is sold or not. As many owners use the property for holidays or rental purposes, it is hard to track these owners down.

On Rago 1, ADA are saying they can't get hold of the owners details, so they simply have to wait until they come forward. If there is such a strict law on these fees being paid, then surely there should be a way of getting their details from someone?

It`s really up to the President to show their power, to tell ADA the committee wants a list of owners and if they can`t do it then call a meeting and get new administrators.
There should be a list of all the properties in the community listing all the ones sold and their owners details, if not how do they know who are the debtors ?
I would assume the builders should be paying in for all the ones that are unsold at the moment.
It must be an offence to withhold required information needed in the running of the community, especially if they are concealing their lack of payments.

ADA say it is to do with the Data Protection act, Fedesa can give apartment numbers and the owners name, but not their permanent place of residence or other contact details.

The president is in charge, ADA work for him, if they know then he should also know as it is part of his knowledge needed to run the community.

This might just be the driver behind the current furore on "Frozen Bank Accounts". If the tax man does not know where people live because they do not openly register to be taxed then he is driving them to make their affairs visible by cutting off their access to funds in Spain.


The community law is strong but the officers of the community need to know who and where owners are if they are to challenge them to pay their dues. I know they can "reposes" a property even if it is only €10 in default and I am sure this being Spain they could then sell it to defray dues and expenses. The courts would force the Tax/Land register/Cadastral to reveal all known information on ownership to enable this to happen but it all seems very long winded and bureaucratic.

You wont afford to get back to the UK with the excess baggage charge involved at the moment!

Hope you can find a satisfactory resolution to your problems..

Cheers
Jon

thanks.I was going to take my exess baggage by road,and sell them on gratie market £3 for a packet of 20.

they wont disclose to you the where abouts and personal addresses of people who own property in the community exept the the names and house numbers of the community houses.but when you get your community balance sheet and the muinits of the meeting it should list every one and who owes what and who has paid what.what has been spent of community money.down to the last penny.and what is left or owing.and what has been aproved by vote,thats the law of the land.majority vote can change the admin co.any one can come forward to be the president.and if the vote is ok he/she is in.At the meetings any one can sugest any thing for the good/bad of the community.like say you propose legal action for none payers and its passed or kicked out by the vote.majority vote of a certain minimum persentage attending

Whilst well meaning there is some very misguided advice on the basics that are being posted here that needs to be corrected as if others took it could cost them between 100's of Euros and in excess of 100,000 Euros within the next 9 days.

As I am neither qualified to offer advice in Spain, potential COI's could come back to haunt me and my Spanish amounts to being able to order "One Wine One Beer" make whatever you want from the following:

1. If you are thinking of buying on CE DON'T. Major Investment Banks were selling off MF stock at a discount of just less than 50% well before MF filed for Creditor Protection. Given the "BOMBS", the landbank value collapse, the failure of MF to now file on time due to problems confirming the past balance sheet valuations and that plots are now available for 160K EX IVA and yet are still not selling it is a no brainier that if CE is your Dream you will get your Dream for far less if you wait a while.

2. If you have contracted but not completed and MF are not in material breach complete unless you think to won't be able to finance the deal for a least 2 years in which case seek urgent legal advice from cross border firms that have legal and accounting specialists available .

3. If you have contracted but not completed/executed and consider MF to be in material breach instruct a QUALITY Spanish Lawyer specialising in RE or Bankruptcy to advise you and urgently file a claim.

4. If "somehow", a phrase the Spanish well understand, you have completed and paid but the Deeds are not in your name instruct one of the top ten firms in Spain first thing in the morning as you stand to lose it all if your claim is not in on time.

5. If you have completed and are awaiting minor issues to be addressed that amount to around less than say 3K put in a claim but don't instruct a Lawyer at this stage as at best it looks like you will never get more than around 54% of the amount of your claim. All you have to do at this stage is send the Administrators a letter that gets to them on time making a claim and sending any supporting documentation you have. The amount claimed can be estimated, ( I would suggest in Spanish and by Courier or RM signed for).

6. If you have found major issues instruct a QUALITY Spanish Lawyer specialising in RE or Bankruptcy to advise you and urgently so a claim can be filed in time.

7. Ignore the advice that you can claim only if you have a contract, judgement's or AO. This is Total NONSENSE. It may not matter much if the calm is for a few K but say if the CEO of a Hedge Fund had fell over a paving slab back in April on CE and died? Claim and do it now. DIY if small.

My claim is on track to recompense me for the pain, medical costs, loss of earnings, profit, extreme trauma and irreparable psychological damage caused by the blatant and criminal negligence of MF back in April when I was injured because they left a major hazard unmarked. Must get off as I am advised my claim should be redrafted and increased by 20 to 30 times using the math of derivatives.

Make sure your claim is in!

Loco


PM me if you want a copy of the Laws involved.

loco are you scouser.that sounds like the normal claim from liverpool city council.I had a claim like this when I triped over a full packet of cigs in liverpool just after the pavement had been cleand by the street cleaner.he did not move the full packet of cigs as he was cleaning.a spokesman from the council said it was a health and safty issue.the street cleener had no training in the removal of full packets of ciggs from the pavement only empty ones.

Your president should be able to get the list directly from Fadesa - at least 3 manzanas on La Jara have been given details.