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i,m not saying they deserve it at all, and i don't think anyone on this forum is. What we are saying is that it should not have happened, those children should not have been left alone. The parents have got to live with the concequences of their actions for the rest of their lives and that i feel is punishment enough. But so has that little girl!!
This post is to the point. And yes I dont think they deserve it although it makes me angry as you have said them living with the consequences will be punishment enough.

As for the other post about child trafficking by mercedes, well this is all speculation. I think we have established she has been taken but for what purpose we dont know yet and I said before,your comment about that they would have taken her if the parents had stayed with her or not is nonsense. How can you assume this to be the case. The only clear thing I can see here is the parents made their daughter a sitting duck by leaving her and the likelyhood of it happening if the parents were at home would almost nil.
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i,m not saying they deserve it at all, and i don't think anyone on this forum is. What we are saying is that it should not have happened, those children should not have been left alone. The parents have got to live with the concequences of their actions for the rest of their lives and that i feel is punishment enough. But so has that little girl!!
Quite right. No-one is saying that they deserve to have had their child taken. What they deserve is the trauma and upset they are going through for the result of having left their children without proper care and supervision.
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Quite right. No-one is saying that they deserve to have had their child taken. What they deserve is the trauma and upset they are going through for the result of having left their children without proper care and supervision.
YES that is what i have been saying. the only one that does not deserve any of this is maddie. and her brother and sister.
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You are incredibly naive to think that she wouldn't have been taken if the parents were there. If the door was open like some reports had said they would have walked in and walked out with her. Opportuntist and they would have taken any valuables. But they broke in from the outside and through the window, why did they do that, they could have walked through the door if it was open. Did they know she was alone?? So was the door ajar or was it closed? She was the target. If the parents were watching TV etc or having a few friends around, the child could still have been taken, because they wouldn't exactly be banging drums to let everyone know they were there. "Yooohooo It only me, I'm just nicking your daughter" Children are often taken when the parents are in the house, sometimes awake, sometimes a sleep. Fact. Why not get someone professional to break into your house one night when your'e asleep and see how good your security is? People are getting robbed whilst they are asleep and don't know about it until they wake up in the morning and find all their valuables have disappeared.

Faro is also 4-5 hours drive from Marbella and you have the hub or organised crime, in fact some Governments view it as one of the worst places for organised crime and criminals and is viewed as one of the major hubs of organised crime in the world. Girls are trafficked in all the time for the sex industry here. The other thing you don't hear is that the Spanish are the biggest watchers of porn after the Germans in Europe. There is quite a big sex industry in Marbella, which you don't hear about. People think spain is safer and in the Spanish communities it probably is, but where there is expats I don't think it is any safer than anywhere else. If a pedophile hasn't taken her, then maybe there will be a ransom, but usually when children are kidnapped nowadays, they don't like media attention and police involvement as the child is often returned after the payment is made. Another thing you don't hear alot about, that kids get kidnapped and the police aren't involved. They usually nick them for amounts that you could re-mortgage your home for or get a loan without bringing anything unusual to anyone's attention. There were approximately 400 kids taken in UK last year and not from rich people either. The parents paid out and the child returned unharmed without police involvement or media. You or me could be the target if we can get mortages or loans. They aren't going for silly money nowadays.

But Madeline is a very pretty and photogenic girl, it something that stuck me when I saw her picture, she isn't ugly, and she would be in demand and a child her age would fetch again as said alot of money. A 12 year old can fetch over £50k if she is pretty. Yup I'm am speculating, but so is everyone on here as the reports in the media vary too much and the truth doesn't always come out.

I hoping for her parents sake that it is some mother who has lost her child and Madeline looked like her and she is returned shortly to her family alive and they can re mend their lives. That would be the sceario I would like.

The resort was meant to be more for wealthy or professional people, it was viewed as safe by many there and Madelines parents weren't the only ones who did babysitting their way. It apparently was quite common. So it would be interesting to know how many other children were being looked after in a similar fashion that night. Often people if they think a resort is upmarket get a false sense of security also. Because they are surrounded by other professionals or wealthy people. Yet many criminals are also wealthy and hang out in the same places which people tend to forget. Some of the most expensive appartments here in Marbella have the Russian mafia living in some of them.

Since one the OP's said that many hotels have adopted a checking service, similar to the one that Madeline's parents adopted then there is alot of negligence and guilty people out there if this is the norm including establishments. They are no more negiligent than anyone else who uses these services or anyone who puts their child in a babysitting service with strangers they don't know, even moreso if the babysitter doesn't know how to do First Aid.

Originally Posted by ezzkazz View Post
This post is to the point. And yes I dont think they deserve it although it makes me angry as you have said them living with the consequences will be punishment enough.

As for the other post about child trafficking by mercedes, well this is all speculation. I think we have established she has been taken but for what purpose we dont know yet and I said before,your comment about that they would have taken her if the parents had stayed with her or not is nonsense. How can you assume this to be the case. The only clear thing I can see here is the parents made their daughter a sitting duck by leaving her and the likelyhood of it happening if the parents were at home would almost nil.

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You are incredibly naive to think that she wouldn't have been taken if the parents were there. If the door was open like some reports had said they would have walked in and walked out with her. Opportuntist and they would have taken any valuables. But they broke in from the outside and through the window, why did they do that, they could have walked through the door if it was open. Did they know she was alone?? So was the door ajar or was it closed? She was the target. If the parents were watching TV etc or having a few friends around, the child could still have been taken, because they wouldn't exactly be banging drums to let everyone know they were there. "Yooohooo It only me, I'm just nicking your daughter" Children are often taken when the parents are in the house, sometimes awake, sometimes a sleep. Fact. Why not get someone professional to break into your house one night when your'e asleep and see how good your security is? People are getting robbed whilst they are asleep and don't know about it until they wake up in the morning and find all their valuables have disappeared.

Faro is also 4-5 hours drive from Marbella and you have the hub or organized crime, in fact some Governments view it as one of the worst places for organized crime and criminals and is viewed as one of the major hubs of organized crime in the world. Girls are trafficked in all the time for the sex industry here. The other thing you don't hear is that the Spanish are the biggest watchers of porn after the Germans in Europe. There is quite a big sex industry in Marbella, which you don't hear about. People think spain is safer and in the Spanish communities it probably is, but where there is expats I don't think it is any safer than anywhere else. If a pedophile hasn't taken her, then maybe there will be a ransom, but usually when children are kidnapped nowadays, they don't like media attention and police involvement as the child is often returned after the payment is made. Another thing you don't hear alot about, that kids get kidnapped and the police aren't involved. They usually nick them for amounts that you could re-mortgage your home for or get a loan without bringing anything unusual to anyone's attention. There were approximately 400 kids taken in UK last year and not from rich people either. You or me could be the target if we can get mortages or loans. They aren't going for silly money nowadays.

But Madeline is a very pretty and photogenic girl, it something that stuck me when I saw her picture, she isn't ugly, and she would be in demand and a child her age would fetch again as said alot of money. A 12 year old can fetch over £50k if she is pretty. Yup I'm am speculating, but so is everyone on here as the reports in the media vary too much and the truth doesn't always come out.

I hoping for her parents sake that it is some mother who has lost her child and Madeline looked like her and she is returned shortly to her family alive and they can re mend their lives. That would be the scenario I would like.

The resort was meant to be more for wealthy or professional people, it was viewed as safe by many there and Maddelines parents weren't the only ones who did babysitting their way. It apparently was quite common. So it would be interesting to know how many other children were being looked after in a similar fashion that night. Often people if they think a resort is upmarket get a false sense of security also. Because they are surrounded by other professionals or wealthy people. Yet many criminals are also wealthy and hang out in the same places which people tend to forget. Some of the most expensive apartments here in Marbella have the Russian mafia living in some of them.

Since one the OP's said that many hotels have adopted a checking service, similar to the one that Madeline's parents adopted then there is alot of negligence and guilty people out there if this is the norm including establishments. They are no more negligent than anyone else who uses these services or anyone who puts their child in a babysitting service with strangers they don't know, even more so if the babysitter doesn't know how to do First Aid.
You for one will never babysit my children and hopefully no one else's.
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You for one will never babysit my children and hopefully no one else's.
Blame shifting is a sign of a childish mind someone who has not learn t to accept responsibility for their own actions or that of others. Oh i sorted out your spelling mistakes as well. Use the spell checker or buy a mac it does it on the FLY.

Come on guys, this is an emotive subject for sure but everyone is entitled to their own views and thoughts

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Well I've never blamed anyone for my mistakes. I always take full responsiblity for my actions. People also don't have a problem in me looking after their kids. But I wouldn't look after your kids anyway, as I don't know you, you are a stranger to me.

I also don't give a flying **** about my spelling, if that is all you can come up with then it shows your mentality. I type 80 words a minute on here and I can't be bothered to check my spelling or grammar. I'm not writing an article or a report and often I'm doing other things at the same time.

The reports all vary, some say the door was open, others say it was closed. Some say they were 50 metres away and could see everything and the doors were locked, others say it was further. If it was only 50 metres and they could see the appartment it was no further than my garden is from my house. If people want to crusify Madelines parents that is upto them, but I bet many on here have done equally negiligent things in some of the other areas I have mentioned. As said, don't throw stones if your own backyard is made of glass. If Madelines parents were the other side of the town and living it up then they deserve what they are going through now and should have their other children taken off them as they are irresponsible parents. But if they were only a few metres away it is a different ball game and until the actual truth comes out, I'll keep an open mind.

Everyone on here is speculating as they don't know the actual facts and you are equally as bad as you have condemned them without knowing the actual truth. I see idiot parents every day, and most should never have kids, but I'm not going to crusify someone I don't know and actually know the real facts of the circumstances I just gave a different viewpoint in what can and does happen and the media doesn't always portray the total story. I would like to see some of the parents on here make mistakes and have media attention on them, whilst they are going through hell and everyone speculating that you are a rotten parent without knowing the real facts...

Maybe they should get rid of the judical system and have trial by media, it would be so much cheaper and easier. Madelines parents are guilty my lord, hanging at dawn....oh I forget they already have been...


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Blame shifting is a sign of a childish mind someone who has not learn t to accept responsibility for their own actions or that of others. Oh i sorted out your spelling mistakes as well. Use the spell checker or buy a mac it does it on the FLY.

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The power of prayer could do wonders for the both of you - this really is not the subject to be discussing who's fault, what if, bla bla... Before I close my eyes at night I talk to God and ask him for answers - if we all do this - someone up there may just sort out this cruel world we have to live in.

God willing this beautiful little girl is still alive. I pray she is. I hope that whatever beast has taken her will have his burning day in hell and soon.
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I feel you are losing the jist here, she wasn't taken whilst the parents were watching telly or asleep and if that did happen to anyone it would be a tradgedy because most of us would fight to the death to protect our children. THEY WERE ALONE and that is a FACT regardless of all the other speculation that surrounds this story.
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This isnt a story... this is true life its happened - the only people to blame here are those who are sick in the head, the perverted, the greedy, the very person who was behind the kidnapping!!!! If that happened to my family I would rather have support from everyone not the third degree - this is not the parents fault at all. There was someone watching their every move - this is not human.

I am not a bible basher, neither do I attend church every sunday - but there is a God who created us all - the power of prayer people... I cant stress this enough.

My daughter is three - she turns four in July. My stomach just turns when I look at the news and see this angel who deserved to live her life the way God intended. What a shame to bring our children up in this sick world.

Anyway, I could go on and on.
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I feel you are losing the jist here, she wasn't taken whilst the parents were watching telly or asleep and if that did happen to anyone it would be a tradgedy because most of us would fight to the death to protect our children. THEY WERE ALONE and that is a FACT regardless of all the other speculation that surrounds this story.
and it doesn't matter if they were 50 metres, 250 metres or 250 miles away.......they were ALONE.........and THAT is the REAL TRAGEDY
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Children are alone in their rooms upstairs when the parents are downstairs aren't they. If you are in the garden watering the garden at night, and being light until late, it is feasible that alot of people will be in the garden this time of year in Spain, the children are upstairs alone aren't they? If I was in my garden in the evening, I'm still 50 metres away from my house and bedrooms. If someone came in the back window, (which I don't have) I wouldn't necessarily know until I went to check on them? How often to parents check on their kids when they are in the garden? That is what I'm trying to say. If they were the other side then it is a different ball game, it would be me being up the street, which is different circumstances. Every parent would fight for the death of their kids I know that, including probably Madelines. But children have been taken whilst their parents have been in the house. The little girl in Cardiff, her parents were there when she was taken.


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I feel you are losing the jist here, she wasn't taken whilst the parents were watching telly or asleep and if that did happen to anyone it would be a tradgedy because most of us would fight to the death to protect our children. THEY WERE ALONE and that is a FACT regardless of all the other speculation that surrounds this story.

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and it doesn't matter if they were 50 metres, 250 metres or 250 miles away.......they were ALONE.........and THAT is the REAL TRAGEDY
In the UK. leaving your children alone for even the lenght of time they were left IS AGAINST THE LAW it could be classed as abandonment, jsut look at the furore there has been not to long ago with people leaving thier children of 6, 7 an even 10 or 12, alone for the day. If reported to the police then social services would be called in. Why should it be any different when they are on holiday. I just bet they would NEVER leave their children alone like that in the UK, so why did they on holiday. The unfortunate thing is the suffering of the child abducted, I don't really give a toss for the parents, it's their own fault, but we don't know what that child is gpoing through, has gone through and that's where the tragedy lies. I truly hope she will be found safe and well, but I also hope that action is taken against the parents for their stupidity.
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Children are alone in their rooms upstairs when the parents are downstairs aren't they. If you are in the garden watering the garden at night, and being light until late, it is feasible that alot of people will be in the garden this time of year in Spain, the children are upstairs alone aren't they? If I was in my garden in the evening, I'm still 50 metres away from my house and bedrooms. If someone came in the back window, (which I don't have) I wouldn't necessarily know until I went to check on them? How often to parents check on their kids when they are in the garden? That is what I'm trying to say. If they were the other side then it is a different ball game, it would be me being up the street, which is different circumstances. Every parent would fight for the death of their kids I know that, including probably Madelines. But children have been taken whilst their parents have been in the house. The little girl in Cardiff, her parents were there when she was taken.
Thats true, BUT, there was an official babysitting service, organised by the hotel available, and I would assume that there would be some onus on the hotel management to ensure that those employed for that service were trustworthy.
You have to understand the figures when saying about who to trust, over 90% of crimes against children are committed BY MEMBERS OF THE CHILDS OWN FAMILY OR CLOSE FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY.
How many times do we see a bereaved family or those who have a child missing, appealing for help to find them, only to find out that one of those doing the appealing has, in fact, been responsible. Even the chap who killed thosse kids in Cambridge was one of those who appealed for their safe return.

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It's a terrible thing that's happened to poor madeline, all because the parents left her on her own,

Someone must have been watching her mum returning to the room and realised they only returned every half hour, this was either an oppertunist or somebody who knew the family.

As time slips by i fear the worst, and pray she's found safe and well.

I bet her parents feel like S**t and then some, complete fools for thinking that nothing was going to happen to their kids

It's ok for people to say we shouldn't blame the parents, but that's going to happen when they've been as stupid as these 2 have, i'm a parent to a 2year old and a 4 month old and i'm not perfect by no means, but i 100% know i would NEVER leave my babies alone in a hotel room without adult supervision.
i have used a hotel babysitting service abroad once, and although they were fine, i felt like i abandoned them and didn't enjoy my meal with my husband at all and ended up returning early to find them perfectly safe and fast asleep
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