but what do you say? I am richer for being in Europe, and I have not spent anything. And I remind you that Spain is contributing for years in Europe. I am not richer because I belonged to Europe it is just the opposite. Before belonging to Europe (before the disastrous Spanish political class sold our democracy, our economy and our currency to club), money came into my home until by the windows, the prices were very good, and could buy a house and a car without problems

Today, this is most difficult

So who is to blame for that other than your own politicians ?

Some funds you put to good use, some funds you wasted, but most of all you did not properly plan ahead and have an ecomnomy better suited to survive a crisis like the present one.

Don't get me wrong I'm not defending the EU,... especially in its present top-heavy, shambolic, undemocratic,wasteful form.

I don't think it will be too long before the whole damned house of cards collapses and then it definitely will be back to every country and every manjack for himself.

They were wonderful posts (the deleted ones), very obviously the worse for wear the chap seems to think we are a bunch of self indulgent snobs, flipping idiots (or a similar word) who keep our heads in a dark place which would require the removal of several ribs and vertebrae to achieve the necessary bend in you spine to put in there and that we all indulge in solo sexual activities.

and all outside the protection of PDT, what would have been said there ?

I think I'll go to bed during the day and stay up at nights in future to catch all the action.
I just glanced at the Spanish headlines before going to bed in the early hours today and was somewhat shocked to see in dramatic terms that we were all set to go to war over the Gib issue.
Fortunately it's been toned down a bit by this morning, after they all had a good nights sleep maybe.

As far as offensive language is concerned - it is unacceptable in ANY forum and that includes PDT.

many thanks bob.... very well worded, I can almost see the original post in my minds eye....

I think I should read these posts in the early hours too, I could've done so the other night as insomnia had kicked in big time,, had I been in Spain I would have been down in a cafe bar enjoying my insomnia, here in Britain, nothing you can do but bear it out.

As I said earlier there are two types of newcomers who I could usually soon see were going to be a major FAILURE with there new life in Spain.

There are the "England is f****d Brigade" and also the "Plonky Brigade" who rapidly lose the plot by almost drowning with cheap booze.

Unfortunately for Mr Mc. he sems to fit into both categories at the same time, so I'd reckon his chance of success vary somewhere between remote and zero.

Trust you ladies to have a vivid imagination, unfortunately I just can't quite see it myself,..... so maybe if you PM me the sordid details.....that is if the mods don't mind too much........

I would still like to see him come back and resume his part in this very entertaining thread.... Saturday's are quite boring here, I guess I'll just have to go to bingo if things don't liven up

Oh I wouldn't do that Doris.

Apparently there's a war due to start any minute, though maybe they'll wait to try and catch us off guard later in the day, when we're all watching the European Cup Final.

ohhhh dear God, and I thought the footie season was over,,,, does it ever end?? Bingo it is then

So you don't mind too much about the forthcoming war I take it, but the footie p!sses you off.
Just no pleasing some folk.
Never mind Doris, best of luck at the Bingo.

I think being a mere woman my tiny brain seems to block out any mention of hostilities,,, are you serious about a war... where, when and who with?? sorry to be so dumb

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