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" THousands " and your supporting data is ??
Me Me , if the UK is in such a mess why are you in such a hurry to return?
No one believes that forcing a girl of any rave or clour into a marriage is right but in many cultures not just India and Pakistan arranged marriages are the tradition.
Not all arranged marriages are forced.
Having lived in a town which today is predominately Indian, arranged marriages in that community were the norm and even today are a significant % .

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Why are you asking me for supporting data, when you are just as capable as am of googling it?

But just this once I will support my post with facts, just to please you.

In 2011, the FMU provided advice or support in almost 1500 cases, of which 78% were female and 22% male. However, we know that this does not reflect the full scale of the abuse, and that there are many more cases not reported. Research carried out by the then Department for Children, Schools and Families estimated that the national prevalence of reported cases of forced marriage in England was between 5,000 and 8,000.

And this little snippet of info is obviously from the DAILY MAIL.

Oh no, I am mistaken, it is a report by the Home Office, as you can see for yourself with the link below.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...e-response.pdf

And could you point out where I have ever said that the UK is a mess, just for the record.

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It is likely for a girl to be married by the age of 6 in Ethiopia. It is unlikely for them to be unmarried by the age of 16...The secret world of the child bride: Heartbreaking pictures of the girls as young as FIVE who are married off to middle-aged men

Wide-eyed and haunted, the heartbreaking expressions on these young girls' faces hint at an innocence cruelly snatched away.
They should be playing, learning and enjoying their childhood. But instead these youngsters, some as young as five, are being married off in secret weddings. It is estimated that every year this happens to ten to 12 million girls in the developing world.
In India, the girls will typically be attached to boys four or five years older, an investigation in the June issue of National Geographic magazine has found. But in Yemen, Afghanistan, Ethiopia and other countries with even higher rates of marriage at an early age, the husbands may be young men, middle-aged widowers or even abductors who rape first and claim their victims as wives afterwards.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2hLlg5zSZ

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I do not dispute that there are abuses in the non UK born population but sadly they are just as widespread among those born here.
Every day the news has reports of one awfull event after another.
Failures of social services, police .teachers to prevent abuse and worse to the vunerable.
To target as you seem to do just one part of our society is to draw a veil over what are much bigger issues and failings in our whole population .

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Eithiopia is a christian nation, so that should shut some up.
The conflict is between our western societes and those who are still in the
14th century.
Ok condemn as much as you like but how do any of you propose that such views and traditions are changed.
It took 100.s of years for most or Europe to reach the social conventions of today yet we expect other parts of the world to behave the same as us in just a fraction of that time.

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Good point which no doubt the two apologists on board would prefer to ignore and attempt to excuse themselves by trying to divert attention elsewhere.

Looks like they've been taking lessons from a certain Mr Rajoy.

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It's a bit like the apologists here that every time some criticism of Spain is raised, rather than accept that criticism, they go off ranting about UK or the US. I haven't read the whole thread, have these apologists actually condemned any of these forced marriages, "honour" killings etc?
¿Quien calla otorga?

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Didn't the Catholic church in Spain steal newborn children from mothers and give them, or often sell them, to rich, aristocratic Spanish families?

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Common knowledge and in the past as you well know, though no doubt a handy diversion from the topic, which relates to ongoing present day issues.

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On the contrary it just proves that so called western civilisation is just a veneer covering all the perversions and defects that some like to believe is the exclusive territory of those of different skin colours and religions.
What happened in Spain also happened in Australia and all of this as recent as the second half of then 20th century.
We really do not have that much to be so superior about.

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What is the cut off period then? These "adoptions" took place between 1960 and 1989 Dick.... I don't know about you but I can remember as far back as 1989... just. So what is the cut off time then? 1990? 2000? Ten minutes before I typed my original comment?

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Matt should be a politician, throws up all manner of diversionary topics rather than answer the question. Bit like the minister I listened to last night on the energy price rise, he told us all about the mess Labour left them, all the things Labour didn't do, but didn't really explain what the Cons planned to do about it. Personally I'd expect better from Matt, he's dropped to the level of the lunatic newbie on here. ;) Slily questions about the Spanish Church kidnapping babies, of course they did, we all know that, it was appaling, but how does that in any way make forced marriages and honour killings in UK OK????? Could do better, Matt!

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I am not denying that the shipping of children to Australia by the UK was quite common, nor am I denying that newborns were stolen from parents in Spain and given to more “worthy “ families, after telling their mothers that they were stillborn.

I am also not denying that the catholic church did some terrible things, in fact I could go on to mention lots of other abuses committed by non muslim regimes.

All tragic cases, vile acts committed by vile people leaving many destroyed lives, and if people keep referring to these acts as a way of justifying what is actually happening right now in the UK, with forced marriages in many cases to underage girls,they are just creating a smoke screen which allows these perverted acts to continue.

I cannot believe their fear of being labeled a racist, outweighs their disgust , there is something sinister where society , can get away with crimes such as this, because it is more important not to hurt peoples feelings.

The time for pussyfooting around has long gone.

They need to be told it is wrong, and if a religion has to be called into question, so be it.

However, the main gripe that I have with what is happening with forced, illegal marriages in the UK, is that the vile people who are seeking these illegal, forced marriages are the girls own family, which to me is the most sickening part.

The women in Spain who had their babies stolen, were victims of a serious crime, the parents that seek forced marriages and underage sex for their daughters with the sole intent of controlling them, are the perpetrators of a serious crime.

BIG DIFFERENCE-

We are told that being the victim of crime or abuse ruins lives, but usually it is the victims own family that gets them through terrible situations.

Of course these poor girls do not have this luxury, because their families perceived shame amongst their peers, is much greater than their love for their daughters (and on occasions, their sons), they have no one to trun to, as they would also be shunned by the community. Disgustng.

Anyone who puts their religion or reputation before the wellbeing and happiness of their own child, is in my opinion a vile, twisted piece of garbage.

And any religion that has people brainwashed into harming their own child or actually killing them (honour killings) is very sinister indeed, as it goes totally against nature.

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Education not isolation and predjudice is the way to reduce the problems with in those communities that practise traditions which we find are disgusting.
Any reduction in numbers is a good thing but we should not lose sight of the wider issues within the all of UK society.
To focus on the problems of one group is to ignore the much higher levels of general abuse that exist.
Any abuse inflicted on children is "against nature " not just that carried out in
non white immigrant communities.