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andyrich666 Mar 14th 2014 3:09 am

Re: British standards ???
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 11172882)
Andy, lets turn it round the other way - why can't our kids/grandkids have THEIR own schools ??
Too often we hear of kids that can't get a proper schooling because of immigrant children who can't speak English, who don't understand the way of life in the country, holding back kids that want to learn. And when parents complain they are accused of being Racist :thumbdown:

So perhaps all these hard working, making serious contribution to the UK economy Immigrants should have their own schools, paid for by them.
And lets keep our kids where we want them - at the forefront of the education system.
:thumbsup:

Some do, but then its swung round that they are taught by fundamentalists who a re brainwashing, The answer is simply not to give in so easily.

fuchs01 Mar 14th 2014 3:18 am

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Originally Posted by me me (Post 11156550)
At the risk of annoying certain posters, Boris Johnson has suggested that children be taken away from religious extremist parents, as it is a form of abuse.

If this did come about....the first kids that suffer, I would bet would not be from any
that one would easily expect.

Domino Mar 14th 2014 3:23 am

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Originally Posted by andyrich666 (Post 11172908)
Some do, but then its swung round that they are taught by fundamentalists who a re brainwashing, The answer is simply not to give in so easily.

OK, I am saying the UK's state school system should be run to a minimum standard, those who are not up to that minimum should be rejected and sent back to their parents to make alternative arrangements.

Those who can afford to send their children to private schools can do so, be they white, brown, yellow or Martian. But please, let's not forget that the UK has a duty to the future of the country and the learning of its core children who are part of that future.

Remember taking exams in the RN where if we got below 80% on any single subject exam we were returned to our ship.
:eek:

Domino Mar 14th 2014 3:25 am

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Originally Posted by fuchs01 (Post 11172919)
If this did come about....the first kids that suffer, I would bet would not be from any
that one would easily expect.

reminds me of the kids in NI who before they started at school knew off by heart all the hate chants against Protestants.

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Bipat Mar 14th 2014 3:25 am

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Originally Posted by andyrich666 (Post 11172809)
Exactly your right, its a reason now why I would hate to be in a mixed race school. This never would have happened in my day, As much as I would have loved to be bought up on the tech available to kids now, I would actually prefer that I was born earlier than I was, You can see why people want to retake their country when there is news like this.

Maybe it is better they have there own schools and don't mix. Id be bunking off down the chippy

I think I posted a link earlier in this thread, pointing out that Chinese, Indian and Bangladeshi origin children all have better GCSE results than 'white British' children.

It seems Polish children also are a positive influence on our standards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-suggests.html

In general , (obviously some are different) immigrants have an interest in education and want their children boys and girls to succeed.

2 points, (1) Are children born in the UK "immigrants"?
(2) There are other children with special dietry needs as well as
Muslims.

One of my grandchildren is in an infant class with just 2 other 'tinted' children, (not Muslims), they have an excellent Gujarati origin teacher and he hates the school dinners. He takes a packed lunch!!!:)

andyrich666 Mar 14th 2014 3:32 am

Re: British standards ???
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11172929)
I think I posted a link earlier in this thread, pointing out that Chinese, Indian and Bangladeshi origin children all have better GCSE results than 'white British' children.

It seems Polish children also are a positive influence on our standards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-suggests.html

In general , (obviously some are different) immigrants have an interest in education and want their children boys and girls to succeed.

2 points, (1) Are children born in the UK "immigrants"?
(2) There are other children with special dietry needs as well as
Muslims.

One of my grandchildren is in an infant class with just 2 other 'tinted' children, (not Muslims), they have an excellent Gujarati origin teacher and he hates the school dinners. He takes a packed lunch!!!:)

Indeed you did make that post and IIRC I asked you in return that those children did not learn English as their first language, those that did > do not massage the figures you would like us to believe.

The article is about cultural change and sausages, nothing to do with levels of education.

Domino Mar 14th 2014 3:42 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11172929)
I think I posted a link earlier in this thread, pointing out that Chinese, Indian and Bangladeshi origin children all have better GCSE results than 'white British' children.

It seems Polish children also are a positive influence on our standards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-suggests.html

In general , (obviously some are different) immigrants have an interest in education and want their children boys and girls to succeed.

2 points, (1) Are children born in the UK "immigrants"?
(2) There are other children with special dietry needs as well as
Muslims.

One of my grandchildren is in an infant class with just 2 other 'tinted' children, (not Muslims), they have an excellent Gujarati origin teacher and he hates the school dinners. He takes a packed lunch!!!:)

you are just not listening - again (I really do understand why Jacky gets so upset)

The UK is a nation, it owes a duty to all its own people first.
Immigrants who go to the UK should be prepared to INTEGRATE with "the locals".

I don't see the Spanish getting upset people from the UK who are also immigrants - perhaps because they don't expect the Spaniards to throw their way of life out the window and bow down to the ways of the immigrants.

INTEGRATION is the operational word - you integrate with those already living there, not expect them to integrate with you.
Once that subtle difference is understood then perhaps there will be less racial tension.

Do not walk into my house and tell me I must put the toilet seat down, can't walk around with my shoes on, tell me how my dinner is to be killed and how many times I must go to church.
Do walk into my house and understand that it is my home and I will do as I and my predecessors have done for centuries. But if you give up being a stiff neck and join me then that is OK.

Or perhaps the Borg have got it right after all.

Domino Mar 14th 2014 3:46 am

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Originally Posted by andyrich666 (Post 11172940)
Indeed you did make that post and IIRC I asked you in return that those children did not learn English as their first language, those that did > do not massage the figures you would like us to believe.

The article is about cultural change and sausages, nothing to do with levels of education.

quite right, more importantly it is about people wanting to change the culture of the UK to that of incomers under a pretext.
why do the 85% have to bow to the rights of the 14%
(please note that to be fair I have allowed 1% for the don't know's ;)

Fredbargate Mar 14th 2014 3:53 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11172929)
One of my grandchildren is in an infant class with just 2 other 'tinted' children, (not Muslims), they have an excellent Gujarati origin teacher and he hates the school dinners. He takes a packed lunch!!!:)

An excellent point.

The teacher does not insist or expect the whole school to change it's diet to suit his cuisine.

Bipat Mar 14th 2014 4:02 am

Re: British standards ???
 

Originally Posted by andyrich666 (Post 11172940)
Indeed you did make that post and IIRC I asked you in return that those children did not learn English as their first language, those that did > do not massage the figures you would like us to believe.

The article is about cultural change and sausages, nothing to do with levels of education.

The thread title is "British Standards" , previous posters above have also included that.
I also pointed out that because your first language/home language is not English does not mean that you are not fluent in English. (Surely as an expat in Spain you should know this?).

(I did not create the statistics why do you not believe them? have you better overall evidence?).

As to pork sausages, is it that important that they are available in all schools?
Although I agree that the whole school should be considered not only the minority or majority.

Is it not also important that children learn about other cultures in the world?

Domino Mar 14th 2014 4:09 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11172982)
The thread title is "British Standards" , previous posters above have also included that.
I also pointed out that because your first language/home language is not English does not mean that you are not fluent in English. (Surely as an expat in Spain you should know this?).

(I did not create the statistics why do you not believe them? have you better overall evidence?).

As to pork sausages, is it that important that they are available in all schools?
Although I agree that the whole school should be considered not only the minority or majority.

Is it not also important that children learn about other cultures in the world?

they do that every weekend when dad drags them out for a curry
:rofl:

Bipat Mar 14th 2014 4:11 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 11172953)
you are just not listening - again (I really do understand why Jacky gets so upset)

The UK is a nation, it owes a duty to all its own people first.
Immigrants who go to the UK should be prepared to INTEGRATE with "the locals".

I don't see the Spanish getting upset people from the UK who are also immigrants - perhaps because they don't expect the Spaniards to throw their way of life out the window and bow down to the ways of the immigrants.

INTEGRATION is the operational word - you integrate with those already living there, not expect them to integrate with you.
Once that subtle difference is understood then perhaps there will be less racial tension.

Do not walk into my house and tell me I must put the toilet seat down, can't walk around with my shoes on, tell me how my dinner is to be killed and how many times I must go to church.
Do walk into my house and understand that it is my home and I will do as I and my predecessors have done for centuries. But if you give up being a stiff neck and join me then that is OK.

Or perhaps the Borg have got it right after all.

Children born in the UK are all its own people.
Why not appreciate the differences some bring due to having a different heritage. They are all children.
Are you not capable of learning also? instead of living in the past centuries.

(My children and grandchildren would not dream of walking into your house with their outdoor shoes on, I would secretly flinch if you wore your boots in mine):)

Bipat Mar 14th 2014 4:14 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 11172989)
they do that every weekend when dad drags them out for a curry
:rofl:

"Curry" in UK is often adapted for British tastes. (I think it was you that said this before)?:D

andyrich666 Mar 14th 2014 4:15 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11172982)

(I did not create the statistics why do you not believe them? have you better overall evidence?).

I have seen an article that disproves what you say for Children that English is their first language, Learning different cultures is fine, having some immigrants culture forced on you in your home country is not, well not for me.

I can only be glad that I am not a child in that position.

To be honest having watched some of the programs on teaching and what teachers can and cant do these days, and what certain ones do get away with I think the whole education system is appalling anyway.

jackytoo Mar 14th 2014 4:21 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 11172887)
glad you want to watch that pap here in Spain there are better things to do, but I would have thought there was much more for you to do in LA.

:p

With her post count apparently not:scarper:


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