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me me Oct 29th 2013 10:26 pm

Re: British standards ???
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10968550)
if it is possible to have a woman Rabbi - the first was ordained in 1935 in Germany, it became a regular thing in the 1970's USA then it is possible to have women priests and imams - eventually

As the Hebrew religion is something like 3761 years older than Christianity and the Muslim religion about 600 years younger than Christianity perhaps it will be a long while before we see any major changes

If the only discrimination faced by women in any religion was that they were not allowed to become priests or whatever the world would be a wonderful place, but I know that is not the case.

Some religions treat women as less than second class.

rugbymatt Oct 29th 2013 11:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10968550)
if it is possible to have a woman Rabbi - the first was ordained in 1935 in Germany, it became a regular thing in the 1970's USA then it is possible to have women priests and imams - eventually

As the Hebrew religion is something like 3761 years older than Christianity and the Muslim religion about 600 years younger than Christianity perhaps it will be a long while before we see any major changes

I wasn't actually making the claim that women can't be Rabbis, it was more the point that women in all faiths and of all creeds face discrimination and intolerance... I am just unsure as to why it's just Islam that is being targeted by a handful of posters on here... as it always is.

Lion in Winter Oct 29th 2013 11:16 pm

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Originally Posted by me me (Post 10967844)
The tread is about British standards, and in Britian women have equality under UK law.

However there is a group of women who don´t have equality. those that are under islamic law.

So I think that my points are perfectly valid, as I am not discussing how muslim women are treated in Iran only in the UK.

All women are treated equally by British law, in theory. Which is to say that there is no Muslim "law" in the UK, there is one law, the law of the land - but there is a religious system, and we covered that way back in the thread.

All that some people are objecting to is your sweeping generalizations about "Muslims". Clearly not all "Muslims" practice the faith to the letter and certainly only some are brutal, just as not all Christians force their wives to obey them and beat them as the Bible indicates. Equally, there is a vast amount of oppression and violence inflicted on women daily all over the world by those who claim no religion at all, so it is not a valid argument to simply draw a line around oppression afflicted by "Muslims" and then say "Muslims oppress women", and does a disservice to the rights of women as a whole.

agoreira Oct 29th 2013 11:30 pm

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Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10968625)
I am just unsure as to why it's just Islam that is being targeted by a handful of posters on here... as it always is.

Maybe because the thread is about a Muslim school? You're telling people to stay on thread, maybe that's what they are doing?

EMR Oct 30th 2013 12:40 am

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The thread is " Titled " British standards, NOT, what do you thnk about the scholol in question.
As such it covers a myriad of subjects.

jonboy Oct 30th 2013 1:30 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10967847)
ISTR that Jesus said "let ye who is without fault cast the first stone" (IIRC)
that is in the New Testament of the Bible, some 800 years before Mohammed and the start of the Muslim religion - which recognises Jesus as a Prophet.

The New Testament also shows in the Acts of the Apostles that women play a key part in religion and what happened in a few short years.

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That's it, revert to quoting the bible! Well of all the underhand tactics:blink:
It sort of puts a damper on my theories:(

Good post though:thumbup:

IamStu Oct 30th 2013 1:51 am

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:confused: Have I been reading this correctly?
Is someone actually trying to compare the womans rights in Islam to that of Christian countries???? I would suggest it´s a theory so genious that it´s beyond the grasp of most :blink:

jackytoo Oct 30th 2013 1:56 am

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Originally Posted by IamStu (Post 10968933)
:confused: Have I been reading this correctly?
Is someone actually trying to compare the womans rights in Islam to that of Christian countries???? I would suggest it´s a theory so genious that it´s beyond the grasp of most :blink:

That's because you are a normal person:D

IamStu Oct 30th 2013 2:02 am

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Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10968945)
That's because you are a normal person:D

Ahh, thanks J2 :D

agoreira Oct 30th 2013 2:13 am

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Originally Posted by IamStu (Post 10968933)
:confused: Have I been reading this correctly?
Is someone actually trying to compare the womans rights in Islam to that of Christian countries????

You have indeed been reading it correctly, laughable innit?;)

IamStu Oct 30th 2013 2:16 am

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Originally Posted by agoreira (Post 10968971)
You have indeed been reading it correctly, laughable innit?;)

..well it would be if it was funny! It´s just so very sad in it´s ignorance :thumbdown:

rugbymatt Oct 30th 2013 2:53 am

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Originally Posted by agoreira (Post 10968668)
Maybe because the thread is about a Muslim school? You're telling people to stay on thread, maybe that's what they are doing?

No I wasn't actually, I am one of the few people who actively encourages thread drift, it's how normal conversations work and the best way to get a thread lasting longer... what I do object to is the way things have to get so personal all the time. That's what kills threads.

IamStu Oct 30th 2013 3:09 am

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Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10969052)
No I wasn't actually, I am one of the few people who actively encourages thread drift, it's how normal conversations work and the best way to get a thread lasting longer... what I do object to is the way things have to get so personal all the time. That's what kills threads.

Do you not see the irony in what you´re saying?

agoreira Oct 30th 2013 3:18 am

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Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10969052)
No I wasn't actually, I am one of the few people who actively encourages thread drift, it's how normal conversations work and the best way to get a thread lasting longer... what I do object to is the way things have to get so personal all the time. That's what kills threads.

"... and back to the subject at hand..... Free schools....."

Domino Oct 30th 2013 4:42 am

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Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10968625)
I wasn't actually making the claim that women can't be Rabbis, it was more the point that women in all faiths and of all creeds face discrimination and intolerance... I am just unsure as to why it's just Islam that is being targeted by a handful of posters on here... as it always is.

No, you didn't make any claim about women/rabbis - it actually was about Christian Orthodox.
Hopefully all i have done is broaden the matter a little, as CO and Islam will not allow women priests or teachers of the faith.

But then who would have thought that Henry VIII would have started the Church of England - truely heresy back in those days, for which he was excommunicated IIRC.
However that is how religion evolves, albeit more slowly than the Instant Communications of today's busy world. Similar happened later in the UK with the Wesley brothers in the 1700's who founded Methodism, which then was picked up by the American black's and became the basis of their religion.

I am sure many would not be happy to realise how much the UK has been an influence in the spread of religion and fostering the splinter groups that provide religion to many.

So far as i am concerned if religion is what floats your boat, keeps you on the straight and narrow, provides you with the support you feel you need, then it doesn't matter what its name is.

However, it could be the time for Islam to stop using certain horrific means of keeping the people down - this went out of fashion with the Spanish Inquisition.

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