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I didn't post stats just what I remembered reading in news reports over the weekend.

Why not try Iraq they are always needing voluntary workers.

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You must live a terrified life then.

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Exactly, therein lies the crux of the problem.

Though how to educate those who have been totally brainwashed to hate by their parents from their earliest days in the cradle I know not.

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Most home grown terrorists and potential ones have been educated at University level. In fact Universities are the main recruitment centres.

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Well ironically it's something people complain about endlessly on here.... and I am talking in this case about the UK as I am assuming that's where your comment is based.... and that is by getting more and more involved in peoples lives, in being even more of a nanny state. For many just leaving certain communities to get on with it and adopting a hands off approach isn't an option, it's a recipe for disaster but if you step in and start telling people what to do most right leaning voters get their backs up and cry "Nanny State".

It's like the Gypsy community, education among Gypsy children is appalling, among Gypsy girls its even bloody worse, many are taken out of school at 11 to 14 years old, if they ever go to school at all, if you take kids out of school you decrease their options in life for finding a job... once they no longer have jobs they resort to the only thing they know what to do.... and where do they learn that from? The only role models they have in their lives... It's a vicious circle and it's no different among certain communities both here and around the world. If, lets say, a young boy only has a mad mullah as a role model and no food, no education except a 5th century book you are told is the word of god and you have nothing else because a bitter war has taken many people you know and love what else do you do?

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It was just a light-hearted remark - I forgot to insert the sense of humour smiley.

Iraq is a war zone, of course it's dangerous. Disney, if you have ever been there, is hell on earth in my book. It is a fantasy plastic life where you have to pay a vast amount of money to be shuttled around with hordes of people, and all of it conceived by Disney, a McCarthy stooge, quite possibly a Nazi sympathizer who did business with the reich, also quite possibly an extreme anti-Semite, anti-labour and if you read his original vision for the Epcot Center, not the warm and fuzzy creator of a cartoon world that you might imagine. But I digress.


Anyway, the culture of fear is pervasive and fosters the kind of society that I don't think we want to live in. The whole "terrorists round every corner" mentality is sad - though I have to say when I am in London it doesn't seem to me that people feel that way, whatever Mr. Parker's motives might be for saying such a thing. To date, the British people have mostly been too sensible and too down to earth to allow themselves to be whipped up in that way. Hope that characteristic remains.

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How many home grown terrorists are you on about? How many potential ones are out there? Stop believing the Red under the bed rhetoric Jacky, there are not tens of thousands of nasty muslims running around the streets just looking for the next victim! We have had a couple of attacks by muslims here in the UK and thousands by Christians..... thousands! Are you getting my point yet?

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You going to attempt to give a history lesson again:eek:

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To you? Maybe you need one. Have you forgotten the years that the Christian fanatics waged war on Britain, killing children and pregnant women, all to get what they wanted? Remember switching on the news most weeks and yet another bomb, or a scare or stories of yet another family dealing with the loss of a child?

Your paranoia is disproportionate Jacky and exactly what the terrorists and strangely enough, certain people in power are relying on.

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Education, food, safety, and a basic decent standard of living with hope for the future.

If only we could focus on providing those, how much better off would we all be. The amount of violence has only escalated since the "war on terror" began. Not surprising really.

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I would prefer to believe this than a couple of apologists on here. According to surveys so do most other people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21878867

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Yes, we can tell you prefer to believe it. But the question is, is it a)true and b) does that make the UK such a dangerous place and c)What, if anything, does it say about "muslims" and their supposed inclination to violence. I lived in London during the height of the IRA bombings - there were a sight more explosions and deaths than there are now from "Muslims" and yet people still went on with their lives quite calmly.

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If you surveyed people they would also believe that the death penalty helps stop people murdering, that Diana was killed by Prince Phillip and not a pissed up driver and 9/11 was a set up to justify an invasion of Iraq.... all are not true, that won't stop them from believing it.


Question everything Jacky, even the police lie.

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Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. Remember moderate Muslims were threatened last week. Soon most people will be afraid to stand up and be counted!



http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...ke-it-go-away/

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No one is pretending it doesn't exist Jacky, in fact some of us here are actually discussing the issues surrounding it but you are completely unwilling to accept that in terms of a group of people we should be frightened of in the UK it's the Christians that pose the greatest threat! It's the long standing hatred that many have in the UK towards Muslims that not only drives the paranoia but also damages the trust between communities.

Not sure if you watched the Ottomans thing that was on BBC 2 on Sunday nights? It showed that Muslim, Jew and Christian can live perfectly well together until nationalism and isolationism gets involved.