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If it made more money for the likes of Cameron and those in 'the City' he'd probably be pushing to have Kent declared an Islamic state.

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I used the wrong word for your wimmin words. Not a cliché I should have said Labourite Council/Trade union jargon:lol:

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Back to what this thread was about...kids and Teachers at an English school being forced to wear a burka. Good reason to ban them altogether after the news a suspected terrorist has given the authorities the slip whilst wearing one. Must have been assisted by people at the mosque too!

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No face coverings of any kind should be allowed in public places for security reasons.

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I'm afraid I can't agree with that - that doesn't sound like a free society to me.

Also, where I live we spend a good two months of the year looking like this when we go outside due to the weather.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blo...070205cold.jpg

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Well, I do agree with that. No exceptions allowed.

Edit - one exception - people who have been injured or had an operation and have a dressing covering their face (they could hardly be expected to stay indoors).

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Street petition ? No one in their right mind ever speaks to a stranger on the street of a British town. Assume that everyone else is a psycho, junkie or chugger. Glare at anyone approaching you.

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...and you will be asked to remove your hat and scarf when entering a shopping centre and most bars :confused:

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Never been asked here, but then people are used to people dressing like that. It's just the normal and sensible thing to do when those big negative temps hit.

Honestly, I find it bad enough that wandering around London we are all on cc cameras almost all of the time, but to also have instructions coming from on high as to what clothes I can wear so that I can be more effectively monitored seems a bit much. I know there is an argument out there that we are supposed to be safer because of it, but I can't help thinking that my father and all his generation didn't fight for six years so that we would all have to walk around baring our face to the state at all times.

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Have you ever been surrounded by a group of teenagers on mountain bikes with hoods pulled up and scarves tied over their faces? I have, and it's VERY intimidating. I think we would be far better off with a complete ban on face coverings in public.

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I haven't been in that specific situation, no. I expect it is more intimidating than if you could see them - and that's probably why they do it - but I would rather pay that price than live in a society where the state is constantly monitoring our movements and dictating how we dress so that they can do that better.

Edit to add: I have been in other threatening situations - not involving face coverings - so I do understand intimidation and see where you are coming from. It's the cost I object to.

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Agree somewhat with that LynnR but surely we should be able to walk down the street wearing a balaclava if needs be?
I remember being a teenager hanging out with my friends. Sometimes it was bloomin freezing! I don´t think I´d have made it to adulthood without my scarf wrapped around my face.

However, in such as shopping centres, they´re normally fairly well heated these days :)

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Yeah, in the midwest in the winter it's so damn hot inside that you want to unwrap anyway. So the supposed safety component is reduced to the % of people who commit crimes while outdoors while wearing a face covering. Doesn't warrant the loss of liberty to the rest of us, in my book.

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Wrong again JT ( not for the first time ) the suspect who left a mosque in disguise is NO immediate threat to the UK , ( BBC news ).
Also teachers at the school in question were instructed to dress modestly and cover their heads.NOT to have wear burkhas
As for face masks, veils . burkhas etc I cannot see the shops in
Oxford street, Regency street , Bond st etc refusng to serve their clients from the gulf who spend an absolute fortune shopping in London.
Far more than hoody , scarf wearing kids who are more of a crime risk than any women from the middle east.
Would it apply on the Ski slopes as well !!!!

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No immediate threat does NOT mean no threat?
As for the shops in London NOT asking people to remove their veils, well it just smacks of double standards. Ask anyone who wears a baseball cap. But then again, these seem to be the only acceptable standards :confused:

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It is not a double standard it is just that kds in their " street " uniform are far more of a crime risk to shops than others.
The shops are just protectng their profits.

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Of course it´s double standards. Teenagers and adults are told to remove their "coverings" yet arms are thrown up in the air when the same is asked of a particular ethnic group!
A single standard is that the rule applies to everyone!

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Hmm.. good point.

I suppose I really meant indoors. I'm thinking about public transport, government offices, schools, hospitals etc.

Shops, banks and other private buildings could do it if they choose - I've seen signs saying 'no hoodies' and 'please remove motorcycle helmets' in some establishments - just change them to 'no face coverings'.

I suppose posh shops in Oxford Street could allow their rich burka clad clients in if they want but they should realise that they could easily be men up to no good and maybe expect some of their other rich clients to scarper quick time - up to them .

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You sound so proud of the fact that the UK is to have sharia banking, so proud that it is more like smugness.

Islamic banking cannot pay interest, but the investor will get "income" according to the amount invested. Same difference, even if it is called by a different name, the investor still sees a return on his money.

More pandering to minorities..

How right you are, Cameron is nothing more than a rent boy, he is purely in it for the money, and is taking the long term view.

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:goodpost:

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I would suggest that women from the middle east are quite possibly a very low crime risk but that's not the point. The point is that a burkha might, as in the case we are talking about, be hiding a man - and not necessarily from the middle east either - could be anybody at all.

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It is as much 'pandering to minorities' as is providing so called 'green' and 'ethical' accounts. Nothing at all wrong with it that I can see.

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I rather like Islamic banking. Outlawing interest is cool.

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So what exactly did your father fight for then?

For young girls to be "forced" into covering themselves, because of pressure by parents, brothers and leaders?

For young girls to be butchered by sikko parents, usually with a mother who has been through the same sickeningly painful ritual, and knows the health problems and pain her daughter will suffer for the rest of her life.

These girls cannot trust the most important person in their life (their mother) to protect them, what a tragedy, the mental scars of this must be worse than the physical.


Mothers who would sooner inflict physical harm on their daughters than be shunned by their peers, all this is happening in the UK.


Animals treat their young better, at least the female of the species does in most cases.

I don´t know how many of the apologists are mothers of girls (like me), and those that are should be ashamed, that due to labelling of racism or fear of being called a bigot, you defend the indefensible.



Men have died fighting for freedom, but what kind of freedom do these girls have.

So under the umbrella of freedom, these atrocities take place, and I can assure you that most old soldiers did not fight for that.

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I agree, it is all pandering.

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What's all of that got to do with wearing a burkha?

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It's just providing a product your customers want - what's wrong with that?

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Is there something wrong with you?

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No - I'm fine. Why do you ask?:)

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What Me Me , JT and a few others fail to realse is that our tolerace and acceptance of others and the slow but gradual assimilation of other cultures over centuries is what makes the UK the place it is.
Their UK reflects the views of Mosely and others of hs ilke and fortunately the bulk of the UK population sees them for what they are.
We have many problems today, problems imported from countries where the quality of life, levels of education , tolerance of others etc etc are very different to ours but we will find a solution , we always have.

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Handy things those Burkas.
Especially for Terrorists. :sneaky:

http://news.sky.com/story/1163439/te...-to-al-shabaab

Not the first time either.

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Only one thing wrong with your statement, there is no evdence that he is a terrorist if he were he would be in jail.
He has done nothing against UK law, he is a UK citizen but is on a watch list because of activities in Somalia.
There has been a failure by those tasked to moniotor him but there is no cause for the hysteria we wll no doubt see in the popular press and from the " usual suspects ".
He is probably looking for a way out of the UK and a return to Somalia.

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"Mr Mohamed, who has been linked to the Somali militant group al-Shabab, was subject to a terrorism prevention and investigation measures (TPim) notice, which is aimed at protecting the public from people the home secretary believes to have engaged in terrorism-related activity but who it is not deemed feasible to prosecute or deport." Source BBC

Translation... we know he's a terrorist but don't have enough to lock the bastard up.

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They should have whisked him off to Guantanamo for a few years:thumbup:

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Of course, just a nice harmless friendly guy everybody would love to have for a neighbour.

I imagine he was just practising for a fancy dress competition.

Funny how folk can get entirely the wrong impression at times. :confused:

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Now you're just being silly.

And you have taken the definition of "straw man argument" to new heights.

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Exactly.

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"slow but gradual assimilation of other cultures over centuries"

So all the people of the UK have to do, is hang around for a few hundred years and all their current immigration ills will be sorted?

I think its the size of recent influx into the UK that's causing problems. It's easier to manage a dripping tap than a deluge.

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J2 I know (or hope ) you do not really mean that. If you do you are implying that you do not believe in the basic concept of innocent until proven guilty.

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Quite right.

Serious abuses and flouting of the law need to be dealt with here and now on a daily basis.

Not to do so is an open invitation to chaos, disobedience and extremism.