I'm puzzled. What's the oddity? The fact that there are spanish paedophiles, the fact that she was working with them or the fact that paedophiles have no conscience?

agreed

of course there are Spanish paedophiles, and as far as I understand, paedophiles don't see anything wrong with what they do - rather they see it as natural & right

I also know that Rosemary worked in this area of counselling - it came up in conversation on the beach in Javea one sunny evening some years ago

Yes there are Spanish paedo and loads of them to boot, but a comment like the following one is ,in my view,is not one that should be made by a "professiona"l, who should have more insight into this subject, is she trying to say that only the Spanish paedos in the UK saw nothing wrong with incest and abuse of children, whereas the other nationalities knew they were wrong.

I dunno I might be getting the wrong end of the stick, I might be reading this wrong, so if I am somebody please correct me. I unerstant the post to read,

that the Spanish paedos in the UK who Rosemary Oddity dealt with, thought it was OK, whereas ALL the other nationalities, she came into contact with during her professional life, were repentant and admitted it was wrong to sleep with you own daughter/sister/brother etc.

TBH I would have thought that a comment like this would have landed the author is serious trouble in the workplace, but as I was never employed in such circle I cant be sure, it does not seem very PC to me.

When I was working in the UK I often dealt with families where paedophiles had been involved and several of these perpetrators were Spanish and could see nothing wrong with having sex with the underaged or with family members. So does this mean that it is more hushed up in Spain, is it seen as somehow "normal", or what is the reasoning behind the fact that as you said the media is not obsessed by it.

Rosemary

I am never amazed at peoples reactions because it is the head in the sand bit that everyone does about issues that they do not want to believe.

As I said before paedophiles are in every society, child abuse occurs everywhere, children suffer at the hands of adults.

You have no idea of what a child goes through unless you have worked in this field so stop being so ignorant and at least wake up to the real world and accept that there are evil people everywhere. Unfortunately other people have to pick up the pieces when this occurs and I can assure you that it is a very long, slow and extremely painful process for the child.

Rosemary

JLFS. I was responding to CM because it sounded as though he thought that it was the medias obsession with paedophilia that was the problem in the UK and that it is not as bad as the media make out. He also seemed to be saying that it is not as bad in Spain because the media is not so obsessed here. I have no experience of working in this field in Spain so I used my knowledge of working in the UK to try to get him to see that it is not the media but that paedophiles exist everywhere including Spain so it cannot be the media. My work brought me into contact with abusers and some of these happened to be Spanish so I was able to say that in all honesty I have knowledge of abusers from both countries.

Getting uptight and verbally abusive to me will not take these facts away.

Rosemary

What did I post, you have it right in front of you, BUT i WILL MAKE IT CLEARER FOR YOU.

THERE ARE LOADS OF PANISH PAEDOS, LOADS OF THEM, BUT THEY ARE ALL THE SAME EVERY NATIONALITY, AFRICAN, FRENCH, RUSSION, NEED I GO ON?

BUT YOU HAVE SINGLED OUT THE SPANISH SCUMBAG PEADOS AS BEING THE ONLY ONES WHO THINK IT IS NORMAL TO SLEEP WITH CHILDREN AND FAMILY MEMBERS. That is what your post says.

Do not then accuse me of burying my head in the sand, if the are british people like this, there are Spanish people like this, we agree, I buy into that 100 percent.

What I dont buy into is the Spanish you have dealt with see incest as normal.

If you had made such a comment while yuou were employed as a "professional" I bet that you would have been kicked out of your job real quick............

I have no knowlodge of working with peados, as far as I know, I have never even known a child personally that has been abused in either country, but dont go off on a tangent and start prouting facts and figures, because I dont want to know right now.

The issue that I am trying to address here is that in you post your said that you worked with peados and victims in the UK, and the Spanish ones that you came into contact with while working in the UK, felt incest and child sex was normal, so could you please expand on that.

I am not saying that Spanish are more moral than British and this type of thing does not exist amongst the Spanish population, so in no way can you accuse me of burying my head in the sand.

Dont you start, you old buzzard, I had enough of you last night....

Please read post sixteen again, nowhere does it state that it is only the Spanish in fact I cannot see how it can be read that way.
Please stop being verbally abusive in your posts, because by reading a post incorrectly you are making yourself look foolish.
Graham

I think you read it wrong........

I didn't read it that way at all..........not that ONLY the Spansh ones felt that way - she didn't say that at all

[QUOTE=The Oddities;9241326] OK here is post 16, point out to me where I am going wrong, because I still dont see it.........it could be the difference of a comma, as in eats shoot and leaves, if so I will apologise, so could someone with more knowledge of the subtleties of the English language than me, kindly point out my mistake.

I would be very grateful.

[QUOTE=JLFS;9243170] Simple really, Rosemary speaks of the dozens of families that she has worked with over many, many years and several of them were Spanish.
Is that clear enough.
Graham

Surely how ever old a child is, a paedophile who commits "the crime" against a persons/childs will is a rapist and thats wrong however old someone is! The same with incest within a family, be it against a "child" or an adult! Paedophile rings etc are driven underground and thats a crime and disgusting regardless of the age of consent!

Personally the age of consent matters none! kids/young adults do it when they're ready and not when society says they can, so whats the big deal?? The fact that its wrong in the UK before 16 only tends to glorify it and if the under-aged person involved agrees to it and loves "whoever" theres very little an outraged parent can do anyway. Nonetheless those who wanna do it for whatever reason will and as long as they dont get pregnant or diseases so what???

Jo xxx

No it is not clear enough, if I am told that I am reading a post wrong, then to prevent further problems I think that the author of the post should try to explain where I have read it wrong, it would be the right thing to do, smooth the waters so to speak.

I may get things wrong from time to time, or quite often, as I am sure you have in Spanish, without explanations we make the same mistake over and over.

I give up.
Graham