olivefarmer

well on the subject of "after Brexit" one good thing to come out of it is that the Eu finally woke up and has considered some long overdue reforms. Shame it took a Brexit vote to achieve that. No fundamentally it was those in position of leadershp that fouled up. The outcome of the vote was just a reflection of that crass complacency. The blame , if blame needs to be apportioned does lie fairly and squarely with those failed leaders.

uk_grenada

I like the idea - ok eu, if you think we owe you money post brexit, publish your audited accounts for once and we'll take a look...

Fredbargate

Good job I have broad shoulders

bobd22

The problem was firstly the simple binary referendum, the issue is far too complicated to be simply in or out. Secondly there was before the referendum no plan for if the referendum said out and little by way of a real plan since that result. I blame Cameron for both was it stupidity, arrogance or both I think probably a combination. Obviously if you get chance to make a choice by voting it is your right to vote whatever way you want. However the Brexit voters/campaigners pushed straight away for article 50 to be triggered when in reality planning and preparation for that should have been conducted before it was ever triggered. So they must take some responsibility for that. The transition period or whatever they call it should have been pre article 50 not a panic move once you realise there is not time to sort out the mess. The old saying in the military was prior planning and preparation prevents poor performance (ex service people will know there is one extra p in there😃). Obviously our government forgot to apply this!

DaveLovesDee

European Court of Auditors signs off the EU accounts for 9th year in a row

EU 2015 Annual accounts.

2016's is due around now.

DaveLovesDee

Which reforms?

bobd22

I am not sure which reforms they are considering? There have been demands by UK but I see most of these denied. The EU could reform but so could the UK for instance blaming EU for us having to pay childcare when kids not in UK, other benefit and healthcare issues, the UK needs to reform it's residency based model and as most EU countries apply the fairer contribution based model. We won't do that because we could not then have the generations of people we have (home grown Brits) that have a decent life living of the state without contributing a jot simply cashing in on our contributions. We would in my view have been better trying to get reforms from within rather than throwing our toys out of the cot.

iano

Exactly.

Always puzzles me that Brexiteers refer to 'us' and 'them' when talking about the EU. The UK has always had a seat at the EU table, our people have filled key positions and as a European heavyweight WE have been persuasive and instrumental in shaping the modern EU. Thatcher was the architect of the single market.

We're happy to compete against Germany and France on the sports field, yet in Brussels when we've supposedly been on the same team have continually sulked on the sidelines by opting out and have now taken our ball home. And it's all 'their' fault !

teuchterpete

Well we had all of those UK politicians ( cameron/ Corbyn et. al.) saying vote "IN" and then changing their tune when the vote does not go their way. They all seem to be on an ego trip, and we vote them into their place. Not to mention paying them a sizeable salary. Then ask them to negotiate a good deal as we jump ship. Little we can do about it now!
Pete

bobd22

[QUOTE=teuchterpete;12305363]Well we had all of those UK politicians ( cameron/ Corbyn et. al.) saying vote "IN" and then changing their tune when the vote does not go their way. /QUOTE]

In fairness I do believe Cameron meant vote in when he said it as the referendum was his baby once he failed to keep us in he had to go. Corbyn said remain but he has always wanted us out so he never believed in what he said re remaining, he simply towed the party line. That is a great pity really I don't like the man but if anyone could have got the younger generation to vote it is him, he has shown he can connect with younger voters. Had he done so I doubt we would be where we are.

lurchio

Its okay Bob, anything the UK want to change after they get rid of those nasty EU directives will go into the Great Repeal Bill, the best 'mop up' tool of the lot. Whats that you say? 20 months to do that as well? Thousands of directives? Four debates and God knows how many in the House of Lords? Best get started them, oh, can't..... Nobodies around until September.......
Its a farce really, so bloody frustrating to watch. Shame, but the People have spoken.......... God help them.

uk_grenada

Interesting, looks like years ago they got E for effort, improving to somewhere like C for trying harder but still fortunes unaccounted for, with the court of audit acknowledging issues. That level of inaccuracy for example would never fly in a quoted companies accounts.


https://fullfact.org/europe/did-audi...ign-eu-budget/

bobd22

Sadly very true

guirijohn

There are risks of being in the EU too.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1AD1RS

lurchio

Yep, taking measures, the Swines! RBS anyone?