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Old Jul 28th 2017 | 3:59 am
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Originally Posted by rspltd
Putting aside the rather extortionate membership fee would you like to state what benefits the UK gets over other non paying members of the EU - come to that perhaps you would like to state any benefits that the UK gets.
Where do I start? There's many. But a few trillion in global trade with the single market, the large global businesses (read: employers) operating in the UK specifically for that reason (e.g., automakers, finance), are good starting examples.
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 4:06 am
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I have to agree with Lurchio.On Brit.TV there is constant talk about having a "transitional" period which each day seems to stretch longer & longer.Honestly,do the British Govn.think the other EU countries are quite happy to say"Take all the time you need to ease in all the alterations you want to make".That is really "cake & eat it"thinking.
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 4:17 am
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That's very true but no way can this mess ever be sorted out and ratified in 2 years. So I really think some sort of extension or transitional period will be required for all in reality. The whole dam thing is an absolute mess.
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 5:08 am
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Agreed, its not realistic at all, but the UK started the clock, and theres 20 months left with no sign of clearing the first hurdles and now its holiday time ! You couldn't write it! Damn mess as you said, sad though. We all know it takes two to tango, but now its twenty odd dancers and some of them are nifty movers! Get a bloody wiggle on!
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 5:18 am
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Agreed it is an absolute mess with much more to come. All down to complacency of the various leaders in the EU and our own Cameron. Like a bad marriage far easier to just drift on and make do ( without having to make reforms or even recognising that things werent all good) than get divorced and make a fresh start. ( Brexit - unknown ground ) . The real bad guys here are the fools that didnt see it coming and make reforms. ( making a failing marriage work )

Lets hope a win win scenario is the outcome ( amicable divorce and still remaining friends) .
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 5:43 am
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I personally doubt it will be win win. The EU will continue with or without the UK. The UK will of course carry on but in the rest of my lifetime I fear will be in turmoil. I have no faith whatsoever in those we have trying to sort this out let alone negotiate to our benefit with the likes of America. However we are where we are. Cameron should have stood up to his right wingers and simply governed which is what he was voted in for rather than seek approval by way of a referendum.
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 5:56 am
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Originally Posted by rspltd
No other sovereign country in the world accepts the decisions of another's Courts.
Odd because the UK has entered into over 14,000 treaties with other countries. Very few countries can go it alone, unless they're e.g. North Korea.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-treat...reaties-online

The EU is also insisting that the UK must continue to pay child benefit after we have left. Currently the UK pays child benefit of about £50million to Polish children the majority of which have never been to the UK. Go whistle does seem appropriate.
The EU's default negotiation position is to maintain the EU treaty rights for EU citizens resident in the UK. Is it the EU's fault if the child benefit law doesn't restrict the benefit to children resident in the UK?

The UK seems to have gold-plated the legislation to apply to all children with EEA nationality wherever they are in the EEA, instead of children with EEA nationality who are resident in the UK. The UK could have put this nonsense to rest years ago if it wanted to.
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 6:43 am
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A post brexit map...
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Old Jul 28th 2017 | 8:51 am
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If you are going to post a graphic, please make sure it is readable. Your attempt was totally unreadable.
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 12:02 pm
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Oh ye of little knowledge, No it wasnt, click on the graphic to expand it... looks perfect from here. If you know of a way of sharing directly a hi res in this forums s/w do share?

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Old Jul 28th 2017 | 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeJ
Although, unless you go the whole hog and get Spanish citizenship, it looks as if you will not have the free movement across the other EU states any more. You'll have to stay where you are - bitter blow
If you get Spanish citizenship, why wouldn't you get free movement across the EU. You'd be a national of an EU member state, with all the rights of one.
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by uk_grenada
Oh ye of little knowledge, No it wasnt, click on the graphic to expand it... looks perfect from here. If you know of a way of sharing directly a hi res in this forums s/w do share?
It was certainly not readable when first posted. It enlarged OK, but was very low res. Possibly a temporary forum glitch-

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Old Jul 28th 2017 | 8:39 pm
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The map may be outdated already if Dublin gets what it wants? Seems a bit like a United Ireland by the back door, Theresa's new friends I doubt will like this?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7863986.html

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Old Jul 28th 2017 | 9:35 pm
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Originally Posted by olivefarmer
Agreed it is an absolute mess with much more to come. All down to complacency of the various leaders in the EU and our own Cameron. Like a bad marriage far easier to just drift on and make do ( without having to make reforms or even recognising that things werent all good) than get divorced and make a fresh start. ( Brexit - unknown ground ) . The real bad guys here are the fools that didnt see it coming and make reforms. ( making a failing marriage work )

Lets hope a win win scenario is the outcome ( amicable divorce and still remaining friends) .
Let's not make the mistake of blaming anyone but those who voted for Brexit.

They knew what a mess it was going to be (or they should have - it was said often enough) and yet they still voted for it.

It's no-one's fault but theirs.
 
Old Jul 28th 2017 | 9:48 pm
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Originally Posted by lurchio
I think the UK are delusional if they think they can leave the club they voluntarily joined under their own terms, whoever heard of that?
'Delusional' is very apt. All this Cabinet bickering about transition periods, or not, is totally ignoring the fact that the EU has to agree to any extension period beyond the allotted 2 years after submitting Art 50. All 27 members have to ratify.

You'd have thought the UK govt would have had a master plan BEFORE triggering Article 50. In fact you'd have thought the UK govt would have had a master plan well BEFORE calling the binary vote referendum.

Delusional indeed.
 


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