Desert Dubliner

It is quite clear you never watched MSNBC, ABC or even FOX. You're just jumping on the FOX bashing bandwagon. Hot air coming out of you, not more.

Desert Dubliner

93% of journalists in Washington DC vote Democrat, but Fox is a f***** problem!? This is the thing, you will never hear conservatives calling for MSNBC, BBC, ABC, CNN, NYT and other 'news' media be shut. No sir. We have good manners and respect for pluralism. We will debate and we will defend your right to air your opinions (where else we can get a good laugh?). But there is always lefties calling to shut down Fox, shut down Rush Limbaugh, etc. This tolerance for opposing opinions is probably due to their immense open-mindedness so widely shared amongst the lefties.

auzdafluff

The problem is they aren't broadcasting facts. They're lies. Not everything they broadcast is a lie, but a significant chunk of it's 'news' is either down right false, or severely twisted.

And I have watched all of them.

shiva

are you on drugs?
conservatives in america haven't debated anything in at least a decade, they spout vitriolic bile and peddle barely disguised racist shite under the labels, opinion debate and free speech.
that doesnt even scratch the surface of what that vile machine fox is and does.
Goebbels would be proud to call fox one of his he could barley dream of the reach, political clout and seeming immunity to public prosecution for peddling hate that it has.

i genuinely question the intelligence of any fox viewer who isnt watching out of a perverse desire to see the show unfold.

i respect your right to be a conservative, i respect your right to call other channels biased, i respect many rights but the right to defend a clearly and somewhat ****ing obviously bullshit channel isnt defence of free speech, its defence of imposed and deliberate ignorance and racism, its defence of the right to take advantage of the stupid for political gain.

you know what, **** it i cant even be bothered to type any more.

fox is shite, end of and such blatantly obvious shit that i am now convinced anyone who believes any of its shite is a straight out oxygen thief.

Desert Dubliner

I don't think you get it. All of them are broadcasting facts. In today's environment it is very hard to fool people by broadcasting good old-fashioned lies as the internet pundits and other news channels quickly cop on and react. This is why you will find reporting inaccuracies are few and far between and do not constitute a part of the o called agenda setting policy each news media channel has.

What tends to happen is that the factually correct piece of news is presented either out of context or with an opinion attached to it. Either that, or there is a clear focus on presenting a certain types of news (i.e. ones damaging or supporting a party or an issue). Had you watched MSNBC hard enough, which you clearly didn't, for sure you would have had it included on your 'let's ban them list'. Not only MSNBC, you could also include some other more venerable media like NYT, NPR, USA Today because according to PEW Research Centre, all of them fall in the same ball park with Fox in terms of 'believability' criteria.

Furthermore, to reinforce my point that most other media is blatantly pro-liberal, check PEW believability rating sorted as per party affiliation and you will find all media other then FOX is more trusted by those affiliated with Democrats, some like MSNBC, ABC and CNN by a very wide margin.

Therefore thanks god Fox exists to provide at least some balance in US media reporting.

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There is a lot to be said about BBC. Whenever I spend a week in a hotel where BBC is the only choice, I come out thinking the world is about to explode from global warming. They have an obvious agenda compatible with the UK civil service opinions and policies.

Desert Dubliner

Nothing in this post deserves to be dignified with an answer. This is a rant and a rubbish one at that.

littlejimmy

Shiva's no lefty. By no stretch.

Balance my arse. Fox is universally ridiculed as a source of BS and outright lies. There is none so blind as those who will not see.

http://foxnewslies.net/

Desert Dubliner

Equally you have websites that document the lies and bias of the left leaning media:

http://www.mrc.org/

An argument like 'universally ridiculed' is utter rubbish. What matters not is universal opinion of ill-informed, great unwashed. What matters are facts and if you want to stand out from the great unwashed you may want to educate yourself on the subject and check the PEW research according to which the venerable NYT is equally believable as Fox. If Fox deserves shutting down as a lying and biased media, so do MSNBC, NYT and USA Today.

Be balanced, if you propose that being balanced and impartial is a virtue.

littlejimmy

A quick google reveals that MRC are a conservative operation.

On December 22, 2011, Media Research Center president Bozell appeared on Fox News and suggested U.S. President Barack Obama looks like a "skinny ghetto crackhead".

So yeah, let's be balanced and impartial.

Desert Dubliner

Really? You had to use google for that? It says on the front page: The Leader in Documenting, Exposing and Neutralizing Liberal Media Bias.

And did you perhaps think foxnewslies.net is run by the GOP?

You've some logic on your side.

littlejimmy

You're the one imploring us all to be "fair and balanced", yet you quote right-wing sites. I'm leftie, you're rightie...we both twist facts and figures to suit our arguments. What does it really matter? The truth is somewhere in between.

Desert Dubliner

Well, you quoted a left-wing site run by a self proclaimed liberal.
And what does that matter for the argument?? Take matters at the order of merit rather than resorting to high-school-playground name-calling.

Secondly, I am not imploring anyone to be fair and balanced. But some here pretend to be fair and balanced while in fact they are clearly not as they favour one side over the other. My point was that Fox brings some balance into the predominantly leftist US media and that those who call for it to be closed down should by the same logic call for closure of several other news media editions in the US.

Desert Dubliner

And BTW you cut out the rest of the quote:

Pretty fair and balanced on your behalf.

While we're at it, have a look at the CV of the MSNBC anchor Chris Matthews. Pretty f**** fair and balanced.

littlejimmy

http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/LiberalMedia.htm

auzdafluff

You want to know the reason so many journalists hate Fox? Simple. Because it doesn't broadcast facts.

If everyone else reports an Apple is an Apple, Fox will report it's an Orange because an Apple would make Obama look good, and we can't be having that now, can we.

Yes, as I've said, the other media does have a bias and a liberal slant. However, that doesn't stop them from reporting the facts. They keep their bias for opinion shows. Fox doesn't. And therein lies the difference.