Originally Posted by shiva (Post 11410757)

The majority of yes voters see this as a loss. 1.6 million people believe that scotlands interests are best served by independence and that we lose not gain from the union. As such it's perfectly reasonable for me to see this as a loss for Scotland. That's been the position all along from my side of the fence.

That 2 million voted no doesn't detract from my beliefs or those of others, it doesn't suddenly disprove them or invalidate them. It merely shows that more people held a different belief.

I am immensely proud of the referendum and the so far peacefulness of it. By any measure it was an enormous success it just wasn't the result I or 45% of scots wanted. That's democracy and a damn fine showing of it.

That so many did vote yes actually encourages me, more powers have been promised, you'll find no argument from me on that so long as they are delivered. The SNP are going into mays general election with a huge advantage. Better together had to campaign together and whilst so did the snp, the greens are hardly going to split the snp vote in half.

Who's bringing Scottish or Englishness into it?

I'm sitting next to my English wife and half English son I for one am obviously quite comfortable in the company of the English.

Even if you are all wankers ;)

Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 11410774)

Not a loss, continuation of the status quo. Majority of yes voters may not be happy but the majority of no voters are. This is democracy in action.

Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 11410694)

There has been a lot of anti UK reaction in Glasgow, including the burning of the Union flag in the streets and police called out to deal with the unrest.

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 11410787)

I read all that in my head in an English accent. Apart from the last sentence, which only sounded right in a broad Scottish accent. :rofl:

Originally Posted by Irishbeekeeper (Post 11411101)

Ok I have been watching all that transpired as a neutral party ofcourse but now I have a question. Why, all of a sudden, is everyone calling George Galloway a tosser? I have no idea about his UK politics ofcourse but have always found him siding with the Palestinians and that will always appeal to the Muslim bloc.

Originally Posted by Irishbeekeeper (Post 11411101)

Why, all of a sudden, is everyone calling George Galloway a tosser?

Originally Posted by shiva (Post 11411014)

Interesting splits

http://i.imgur.com/AEFXHjv.png

How Scotland voted, and why - Lord Ashcroft Polls

Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 11411151)

shows that the win for the no campaign would have been would have been even bigger if they had followed the usual rules on suffrage. So even Salmonds 'Gerrymandering' wasn't enough to win.

Originally Posted by shiva (Post 11411163)

By less than you'd think. I'll need to dig out the numbers but i remember being surprised by how few people he sold out expats for.

What's very telling is the working age population were all a yes majority

Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 11411182)

I'll correct you on that. I'm sure that the unemployed/unemployable were very much in favour of yes

Originally Posted by Brains1983 (Post 11411237)

Salmond has stood down as First Minister. While I couldn't vote, and had leant towards no, I can't help but think his resignations is not a good thing. He's clearly passionate about our wee country and now independence is off the table for the next wee while, he'd be an excellent person to have involved in devo negotiations! And Sturgen is a ****ing idiot (but the likely replacement).