Re: Scottish Independence
 

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Copied from the Spanish board:

Her Majesty The Queen arrives in Glasgow and she bumps into Alex Salmond.

HMtQ says "How nice to see you Mr Salmond"

AS says "Nice to see you too Ma'am, Now, what are we going to call Scotland after we win Independence? How about calling it a Kingdom, and then I will be a King?"

HMtQ "No, we don't like that".

AS "What about an Empire? Then I'll be the Emperor".

HMtQ " No, we don't like that either".

AS " Alright then, what about calling it a Principality? Then I'll be a Prince".

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Good article in the Telegraph, highlighting how the terrible performance of the leaders of the No campaign has allowed Yes to get away with telling all kinds of porkies completely unchallenged.

Scottish independence: 'Yes campaign every bit as dodgy as Iraq dossier'

"Independence achieved by a wafer-thin margin, on the basis of deceit, fiercely opposed by half the population, is not a recipe for a stable or happy new state"

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Do you have ginger hair and freckles?

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would be quite amusing if the UK government decided to offer those islands a referendum :)

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Yep, and do it before Scotland's full independence is in place and there'd be ****-all they could do about it.

Whichever way it pans out, any Scottish MPs in Westminster are going to get one helluva rough ride for the next two years. No: ok, here's more devolved powers, but you're not going to ****ing vote on English/Welsh/NI matters. Yes: same as above, plus if no-one else does I'll be starting a petition to erect border controls and have them operational on the day that full independence is achieved.

Never realised how fiercely British (as opposed to English) I feel, and to have my identity threated by a lying opportunist without my having a say in it. Its a ****ing union, why should only one, narrow and ill-defined group have the right to tear it apart?

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If Scotland isn't part of the EU by independence day, then the England-Scotland border will become an EU external border, and it will be a legal necessity to have full border controls in place.

The same will have to happen if an independent Scotland ends up enacting immigration legislation that is incompatible with that of rUK.

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Yep, but that's not what the lying Scotsman is telling people.

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Have to laugh at the continual mantra of the Nats that "they [the EU] won't kick us out" - indeed they won't. The legal reality, of course, is that Scotland will have voluntarily voted to leave and will need to reapply to get back in (confirmed in writing to the Scottish government by Brussels), and if Salmond reckons that Scotland's application will just get nodded through with all of the UK's current exemptions intact, he's even more delusional than he appears.

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Nope. Dad did though, but now it's all grey-ish.

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What did the milkman look like?

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The question is here: http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4...Commission.pdf

The answer: http://91.74.184.65/videoplayer/Lett...&ich_u_n_i_t=1

Thank you for your letter of 10 March 2014.
The European Union has been established by the relevant treaties among the Member States. The Commission, as the guardian of those treaties, is responsible for overseeing their implementation, including the implementation of provisions related to the accession of any European State to the Union.
The Commission's position on the issue that you raise has been stated on a number of occasions since 2004. The Treaties apply to the Member States. When part of the territory of a Member State ceases to be a part of that State, e.g. because that territory becomes an independent state, the treaties will no longer apply to that territory. In other words, a new independent region would, by the fact of its independence, become a third country with
respect to the Union and the Treaties would, from the day of its independence, not apply anymore on its territory.
Under Article 49 of the Treaty on European Union, any European state which respects the principles set out in Article 2 of the Treaty on European Union may apply to become a member of the EU. If the application is accepted by the Council acting unanimously after consulting the Commission and after receiving the consent of the European Parliament, an agreement is then negotiated between the applicant state and the Member States on the conditions of admission and the adjustments to the Treaties which such admission entails.
This agreement is subject to ratification by all Member States and the applicant state.

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a narrow ill defined group that sits at a minimum of 40% of the population from all across Scotland and across all ages groups and income ranges excluding the over 65's?

why? because you could quite realistically end up with a situation where a majority of scots want to leave the union and a majority of english want them to stay, i'd love to hear your justification for then maintaining the union.


next you'll be advocating an invasion in the event of a yes because you love us so much we should stay ;)

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Minimum of 40%: so, if it is at that minimum, then just 20.01% can decide the fate of 100%. That's not democracy.

Across all groups: Did someone advocate that it shouldn't be? I hardly think that it includes all income ranges is something to brag about. And what makes it more stupid is that non-Brits who live there get to vote: how can that be right? We're not talking about a 4-year political tenure, we're talking about the breaking up of a country.

Excluding the over 65's: Sorry--being over 65 precludes you from having a say in your country's destiny? Who ****ing frigged that?

Justification: Absolutely simple: the UK is a union, so why should just one group have the right to destroy it. On that basis the Outer Hebridies have exactly the same right to vote for their independence, but will Salmon allow that? Or look at it this way: would it be right for the English and N Irish to have a referendum on leaving rUK and making Wales go it alone?

ps The new name will be United Kingdom. Just because 1/4 of it has decided to **** off doesn't mean the remaining parts are any less united. And I don't see why we should change the flag--we could even put a thistle on it, you don't own the IP rights in either.

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think that majority is getting smaller every day!