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Re: Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Bahtatboy
(Post 11409388)
So Andy Murray changes to Yes because the No campaign is negative. If his decision-making process isn't much deeper than that, that's like saying Yes to drugs because those against merely point out the down-sides. The union works--not perfectly, but it works--and the disruption and disadvantages breaking it up will cause are, of course, negatives, and the positives of a Yes vote haven't been thought through and are based on half-truths. Utter bollocks.
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Re: Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Bahtatboy
(Post 11409292)
Any exit poll links?
No one is doing an exit poll. |
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Re: Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Bahtatboy
(Post 11409292)
Any exit poll links?
And if you are in any doubt about what “publish†means in this context, the Act helpfully makes clear that it is “to make available to the public at large (or any section of the public) in whatever form and by whatever meansâ€. In short, that includes social media. One word in this part of the Act which might have the potential to confuse is the reference to “voters†in the plural. Telling the world about how you yourself have voted might be acceptable; but to find out and then publish how everyone on your street has done is not. Quite how rigorously the Act will be interpreted and enforced remains of course to be seen. But jail is almost certainly no more pleasant in an independent Scotland than a United Kingdom. |
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The graph rests on the assumption that the value of the remaining oil in the North sea is 1.5 trillion (note that everything else is in the low billions). That single sum obviously greatly distorts the conclusion.
1.5 trillion is the highest prediction for the oil and has been soundly rejected by quite a lot of experts in the field. Big name experts. Heads of the oil companies and whatnot. The low end prediction is 120 billion. BBC News - Daily question: How much oil does Scotland have left? Anyway, I've said this before and I will repeat it again, oil is a red herring. It's a wild card variable and should not be factored in any sensible economic plans for Scotland's future.
Originally Posted by alfrombarking
(Post 11409514)
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Re: Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Ethos82
(Post 11409545)
Anyway, I've said this before and I will repeat it again, oil is a red herring. It's a wild card variable and should not be factored in any sensible economic plans for Scotland's future.
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Orange Order march in Edinburgh in support of the NO vote.
Scottish independence: Thousands of Orange Order supporters march through Edinburgh - Scottish independence - UK - The Independent Sad turn of events to bring Sectarianism into the YES/NO vote . |
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In Toronto airport lounge (shit airport BTW) waiting for etihad flight. TV saying polls so far put it at 54% NO, 46% YES. Not sure how they're getting that, but just thought I'd share....
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Isn't Salmond a clever chap. Consider that should the NO vote win (which seems likely from early reports) , the UK will enact major reforms to satisfy the Scottish Nationalists. Thus Salmond still has extracted major concessions even while losing the vote.
Scottish referendum: David Cameron and the Queen seek to ease tensions | Politics | The Guardian |
Re: Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by Boomhauer
(Post 11410410)
Isn't Salmond a clever chap. Consider that should the NO vote win (which seems likely from early reports) , the UK will enact major reforms to satisfy the Scottish Nationalists. Thus Salmond still has extracted major concessions even while losing the vote.
Scottish referendum: David Cameron and the Queen seek to ease tensions | Politics | The Guardian If it is a no and it looks like it will be then I cant campaign, it looks like it was a massive turn out which is brilliant. If yes win its brilliant If no wins we get more powers to appease us unruly bastards If no wins and we get no further powers or a reduction then the SNP will hopefully sweep the general election and again have a mandate to push for more. Salmond cant really lose |
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Scotland has lost though. For the first time ever, I am hearing anti Scottish rhetoric from British friends.
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Re: Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by al dente
(Post 11410480)
Scotland has lost though. For the first time ever, I am hearing anti Scottish rhetoric from British friends.
I just hope the no voters bought plenty of Vaseline for the nation because we're going to need it. |
Re: Scottish Independence
Originally Posted by shiva
(Post 11410517)
definitely but we're used to that so we'll just keep on trucking.
I just hope the no voters bought plenty of Vaseline for the nation because we're going to need it. |
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I'm hoping its not the English who need the Vaseline. The three parties promised further devolution ofpowers to Scotland but that cannot be allowed if Scottish MP's continue to be allowed to vote on non-Scottish matters. Labour of course will want that to continue
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Immediately after the result became clear, Prime Minister David Cameron aimed to show the UK government was grabbing the initiative by announcing Lord Smith of Kelvin, a former BBC governor, to oversee the implementation of more devolution on tax, spending and welfare.
He said draft legislation would be ready by January, as per the timetable laid out by Brown. Under the former PM's proposals, a "command paper" would be published by the present UK government setting out all the proposals by the end of October. A white paper would be drawn up by the end of November, after a period of consultation, setting out the proposed powers. A draft new "Scotland Act" law would be published by Burns Night (25 January) 2015 ready for the House of Commons to vote on. However, with a UK general election due in May 2015, the legislation would not be passed until the new parliament began. Who knows about the MP question? Anyway here's hoping that SNP have learnt a lesson, that not all Scots are as thick as mince and if you want to convince the 2 million who voted no you need to get all of your sh1t in one sock. It'll be alright on the night just does not work for thinking people. Lets see solid, realistic workable plans on currency etc. etc. etc. No more of the blatant lies from wee eck and cohorts. I have been astonished by Gordon Brown during this, he has absolutely come alive! |
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