Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10665749)

I have also developed a conviction about this particular debate and that is, discussing fasting with some one with a problem of drinking is a complete waste of time.

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10665238)

Actually, for a Muslim who have spent all his adulthood life doing fasting in Ramadan, fasting in July is not really that difficult. However, without the Islamic faith It is near impossible to fast the month of Ramdan in summer. Once, a non-Muslim friend of mine who was intrigued by the way Muslims do their fasting actually tried to do it with me. The first two days he barely managed to go through them; by the third day he was completely consumed by fatigue and headache and just gave it up.

Ramadan for Muslim is a story of multiple disciplines; Food intake regulation is just one part of that story. The moral of the story is to teach patience, a vital human characteristc that is quite difficult to teach in words.

Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 10665903)

Can you elucidate further on what you mean by this statement?

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10666000)

That was an example to the some whom I have discussed human and religious values with before in life. They struck me as being people whose human worldly instincts are always in the way of their sense of logic

Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 10666042)

Where is the logic in your statement? Can you explain?

Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 10666042)

Where is the logic in your statement? Can you explain?

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10666454)

In my humble experience, I have never managed before to convince a person whom alcohol is an important player in his life that fasting has a virtue. Don't know really why.. may be because my argument is weak!!

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10665749)

This is not the first time for me to discuss fasting with non-Muslims. I have heard before some interesting ideas and viewpoints about it; Not necessarily that they sounded logical to me. Interestingly, however, I have also developed a conviction about this particular debate and that is, discussing fasting with some one with a problem of drinking is a complete waste of time.

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10666000)

That was an example to the some whom I have discussed human and religious values with before in life. They struck me as being people whose human worldly instincts are always in the way of their sense of logic

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10666454)

In my humble experience, I have never managed before to convince a person whom alcohol is an important player in his life that fasting has a virtue. Don't know really why.. may be because my argument is weak!!

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10666454)

In my humble experience, I have never managed before to convince a person whom alcohol is an important player in his life that fasting has a virtue.