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-   -   Ramadan Kareem ! (https://britishexpats.com/forum/sand-pit-116/ramadan-kareem-794280/)

redShark Apr 18th 2013 8:22 pm
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 10666681)
Are you making the assumption that I'm an expat - some expats drink alcohol - I'm an expat therefore I am a slave to alcohol?

Not really, I was simply talking about people I‘ve known before in life, and none of them was an expat.

UKCityGent Apr 18th 2013 11:36 pm
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Ramadan is a bit more than fasting without food and water...

Why do people concentrate on the lack of food & water (i.e. just missing 2 meals isnt that difficult at all) ?

mikewot Apr 19th 2013 6:43 am
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10666841)
Not really, I was simply talking about people I‘ve known before in life, and none of them was an expat.
OK, so when you were quizzed on here about the virtues of fasting your response was: "I have also developed a conviction about this particular debate and that is, discussing fasting with some one with a problem of drinking is a complete waste of time." This neither answered the question and, from further probing, was completely irrelevant to this forum. So I'll pose the question again and perhaps you can attempt to formulate a reply which isn't hung up on your fascination with alcohol consumption but instead focuses on giving a clear and structured response. Shukran.

redShark Apr 19th 2013 8:10 am
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 10667367)
OK, so when you were quizzed on here about the virtues of fasting your response was: "I have also developed a conviction about this particular debate and that is, discussing fasting with some one with a problem of drinking is a complete waste of time." This neither answered the question and, from further probing, was completely irrelevant to this forum. So I'll pose the question again and perhaps you can attempt to formulate a reply which isn't hung up on your fascination with alcohol consumption but instead focuses on giving a clear and structured response. Shukran.
Before I answer any further questions from you I would like you to first clarify you position; Are you questioning me those questions as a moderator or as a debater?
If you are a debater then be my guest and let's cross swards. However if you are doing it as a moderator then I think according to the forum rules such things should be discussed in private

mikewot Apr 19th 2013 8:17 am
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10667438)
Are you questioning me those questions as a moderator or as a debater?
Uuummm, why would I be questioning you as a moderator? If you transgressed any of the real (or imagined) site rules you would know in no uncertain terms :) Mods are also people and don't always have to dress with their underpants on the outside :D
I'm not expecting to cross swords, I'm trying to understand your POV and way of thinking. I might apply Western Logic though ;)

OleJanx Apr 19th 2013 3:20 pm
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[QUOTE=mikewot;1066744 I might apply Western Logic though ;)[/QUOTE]

Why waste your breath?

redShark Apr 19th 2013 5:28 pm
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 10667446)
Uuummm, why would I be questioning you as a moderator? If you transgressed any of the real (or imagined) site rules you would know in no uncertain terms :) Mods are also people and don't always have to dress with their underpants on the outside :D
I'm not expecting to cross swords, I'm trying to understand your POV and way of thinking. I might apply Western Logic though ;)
Ok let me elaborate more, In my own experience Trying to explain the mystique of fasting in Islam to some one ( specially the young) heavily involved with alcohol has always been to no avail. People who are used to the illusion of alcohol can never understand the Islamic spirituality and I can understand why; Alcohol promises an alternative comfort to the islamic faith. That's why islam is a fierce enemy of alcohol. That also explains my own observation as to why most athiests that i've come across are actually heavy drinkers

OleJanx Apr 19th 2013 5:37 pm
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10668258)
Ok let me elaborate more, In my own experience Trying to explain the mystique of fasting in Islam to some one ( specially the young) heavily involved with alcohol has always been to no avail. People who are used to the illusion of alcohol can never understand the Islamic spirituality and I can understand why; Alcohol promises an alternative comfort to the islamic faith. That's why islam is a fierce enemy of alcohol. That also explains my own observation as to why most athiests that i've come across are actually heavy drinkers
You do write some utter balls, don't you?

Beakersful Apr 19th 2013 6:10 pm
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Alcohol promises an alternative comfort to the islamic faith. That's why islam is a fierce enemy of alcohol. That also explains my own observation as to why most athiests that i've come across are actually heavy drinkers
Most athiests I know who drank heavy probably did it to obliterate all memories of their altar boy days (I'm RC in case you were wondering.)

mikewot Apr 19th 2013 11:44 pm
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10668258)
Ok let me elaborate more, In my own experience Trying to explain the mystique of fasting in Islam to some one ( specially the young) heavily involved with alcohol has always been to no avail. People who are used to the illusion of alcohol can never understand the Islamic spirituality and I can understand why; Alcohol promises an alternative comfort to the islamic faith. That's why islam is a fierce enemy of alcohol. That also explains my own observation as to why most athiests that i've come across are actually heavy drinkers
OK, so you've not even attempted to answer what I asked. Instead you seem to rely on some very peculiar interpretation of atheist = alcoholic = I will not answer the question.
Ignore alcohol, as I asked you previously, and tell us why muslim fasting is such a good thing. please. Shukran.

Boomhauer Apr 20th 2013 2:15 am
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10668258)
Ok let me elaborate more, In my own experience Trying to explain the mystique of fasting in Islam to some one ( specially the young) heavily involved with alcohol has always been to no avail. People who are used to the illusion of alcohol can never understand the Islamic spirituality and I can understand why; Alcohol promises an alternative comfort to the islamic faith. That's why islam is a fierce enemy of alcohol. That also explains my own observation as to why most athiests that i've come across are actually heavy drinkers
I have come across innumerable theists who are drinkers and atheists / agnostcs who are moderate to occasionkal drinkers. Point is , there really isn't a connection between drinking and atheism / agnosticism.

Kix Apr 20th 2013 3:10 am
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by Boomhauer (Post 10668880)
I have come across innumerable theists who are drinkers and atheists / agnostcs who are moderate to occasionkal drinkers. Point is , there really isn't a connection between drinking and atheism / agnosticism.
I'm an atheist and some might say an alcoholic. Does that make me condemned to an afterlife in hell?

And why is it I was having a beer the other day with a muslim mate of mine who said to me, and I quote, "A person's religion should be between themselves and their god, it is personal to the individual".

hong_konger Apr 20th 2013 3:33 am
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by Kix (Post 10668907)
I'm an atheist and some might say an alcoholic. Does that make me condemned to an afterlife in hell?

And why is it I was having a beer the other day with a muslim mate of mine who said to me, and I quote, "A person's religion should be between themselves and their god, it is personal to the individual".
I think it means that he will be condemned to an afterlife in hell as well !!

hong_konger Apr 20th 2013 3:41 am
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10668258)
Ok let me elaborate more, In my own experience Trying to explain the mystique of fasting in Islam to some one ( specially the young) heavily involved with alcohol has always been to no avail. People who are used to the illusion of alcohol can never understand the Islamic spirituality and I can understand why; Alcohol promises an alternative comfort to the islamic faith. That's why islam is a fierce enemy of alcohol. That also explains my own observation as to why most athiests that i've come across are actually heavy drinkers
And just where did you come across these heavy drinking athiests...??

Boomhauer Apr 20th 2013 6:05 am
Re: Ramadan Kareem !
 
Originally Posted by hong_konger (Post 10668924)
And just where did you come across these heavy drinking athiests...??
Atheists Annonymous:D


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