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Do you consider yourself to be European?

Old May 8th 2011, 11:24 am
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13321460 It's Europe Day tomorow...

This article got me thinking. As a Brit do you consider yourself to be fully part of Europe? Or is it still a case of 'fog in channel, continent cut off' ?
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We are an island nation with an island mentality - that isn't going to change unless there is another ice age. Geographically we will never be part of mainland Europe.

The EU and its flag to me simply represents a political institution that has grown way too big to be really useful to the man on the street (except the passport making travel a bit easier and getting us subsidies in rural areas perhaps). Originally developed as an economic alliance of 6 countires to trade iron (or was it steel?) the EU as it is now, has become a bit of a european superstate, represented by the flag. I dont feel part of it, more connected though neighbourly politics
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We are an island nation with an island mentality - that isn't going to change unless there is another ice age. Geographically we will never be part of mainland Europe.

The EU and its flag to me simply represents a political institution that has grown way too big to be really useful to the man on the street (except the passport making travel a bit easier and getting us subsidies in rural areas perhaps). Originally developed as an economic alliance of 6 countires to trade iron (or was it steel?) the EU as it is now, has become a bit of a european superstate, represented by the flag. I dont feel part of it, more connected though neighbourly politics
I don't think the question is related to how you feel about the European Union. Do you feel European or just British?

Personally I think Brits can be a bit weird when it comes to this question. More confident on their own instead of bunched together with the French, Spanish or god forbid the Germans. And funnily enough my impression is that a lot of this thinking goes back to the time when Britain used to be Great in reality and not just in name..

Anyway what do I know? I am foreigner talking out of turn...
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I don't see myself as European at all - will always be a British (Asian??) or English.

Another thing I've been thinking about recently is how the scots will vote when there's a referundum about independence...which the SNP have promised?
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Old May 8th 2011, 12:28 pm
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I had this converstation not so long ago with a few Brits...I told them that 'we' saw them as part of (Western) Europe, with an Europian lifestyle etc just a bit obnoxious for keeping the pound going...they however didn't feel part of Europe at all, although they couldn't really explain why...
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Default Re: Do you consider yourself to be European?

Originally Posted by norsk View Post
I don't think the question is related to how you feel about the European Union. Do you feel European or just British?

Personally I think Brits can be a bit weird when it comes to this question. More confident on their own instead of bunched together with the French, Spanish or god forbid the Germans. And funnily enough my impression is that a lot of this thinking goes back to the time when Britain used to be Great in reality and not just in name..

Anyway what do I know? I am foreigner talking out of turn...
Sweetie - the question is asked on the back of a press report posted about the EU - I read the article first before posting my reply...
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I feel European, even though I am from a smaller island than the UK. If you only half heartedly join then of course it always seems like you are hedging your bets.
Also I can't remember which UK party campaigned to save the pound but they were probably an opposition party and were using a fairly nationalistic device to get elected and further muddy the waters of what being European means. You didn't lose anything of your own nationality, you gained something extra.
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Default Re: Do you consider yourself to be European?

Well, I'm as British as the Queen - my family were happily ensconced in Saxony in the 19th century. Born in the UK, German origins and brought up and educated in France. Yes, I think I'm pretty European... but I also don't think Europe as a super-state can work.
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English first, British second, European - never.
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Default Re: Do you consider yourself to be European?

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English first, British second, European - never.
Never say never - "European Union" is written on your passport... the most reliable of all ID's
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English first, British second, European - never.
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Never say never - "European Union" is written on your passport... the most reliable of all ID's
But the question is about feeling European or part of Europe, not are you European geographically or politically.
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I'm British.

EU is good for travel as has been said, but if they introduced a 'European Passport' then I'd never relinquish my British one...
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Never say never - "European Union" is written on your passport... the most reliable of all ID's
But the question is about feeling European or part of Europe, not are you European geographically or politically.
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Default Re: Do you consider yourself to be European?

Britain is in Europe but not of Europe.

If pressed back into a corner I'd have to admit that yes, the British are Europeans, but it would be like confessing to a dirty little truth better kept in secrecy. The odd thing is that like most Brits I admire and value the immense cultural heritage of the continent, but at the same time I don't consider myself European at all.

The thinking is wholly the British versus the Europeans. Island mentality and our geography also allowed for the evolution of a quite distinct history and even culture.

The Scottish devolution movement could make for some very interesting times - as Britain is forced to openly discuss what it means to be British versus English/Scottish/Welsh - which could make us even more aware of our keen distinctness from the continent.

(By the way, I don't think devolution will actually happen. It'll come close as the Bloc Quebecois did in Canada in the mid-1990s, but they'll never quite succeed).
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