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Do you consider yourself to be European?

Old May 17th 2011, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by littlejimmy View Post
Norm. You are NOT 34. No bloody way!
There's several forum members I know in real life who can attest that....I'm not sending my birth certificate no matter how many fine debates we have

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Old May 17th 2011, 9:52 am
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I'm not arguing with that, just saying that the speed of change in the Gulf has been much quicker. I'd estimate they've progressed about 500 years worth (in Western terms) in 50 years. Of course they've still got a way to go with things like democracy and a proper legal system.
Agreed the speed of change has been immense in the UAE.

Democracy requires solid institutions, good rule of law and for the enfranchised to be well informed - the UAE isn't even close to ready for that. Good democracy requires significant cultural changes and works best with secular governance - something the middle east isn't famous for

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Old May 17th 2011, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Norm_uk View Post
Agreed the speed of change has been immense in the UAE.

Democracy requires solid institutions, good rule of law and for the enfranchised to be well informed - the UAE isn't even close to ready for that. Good democracy requires significant cultural changes and works best with secular governance - something the middle east isn't famous for

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Well I certainly think there's the appetite for it, as evidenced by the Arab Spring.
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Well I certainly think there's the appetite for it, as evidenced by the Arab Spring.
Whats with this 'Arab Spring'? As a notion, it is as if it is somethign short lived that is about to get back to bed once we get to the 'Arab Autumn'..Wasn't these sorts of events reffered to revolutions before? Toppling of leaders, fighting against your government? Well..how can we trust the western media on this subject, as they turned circles to suqares..and even roundabouts to squares.
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Old May 18th 2011, 2:28 pm
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Well I certainly think there's the appetite for it, as evidenced by the Arab Spring.
This "Arab Spring" will not work unless the reform their entire way of doing things, most critically they need to secularise their entire education systems and have full legal equality for women...

...and since neither seem to be on the cards it's going to be business as usual. I see Egypt is already stepping up persecution of the Christian Copts - the people who are descendants of the ancient Egyptians...nice

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This "Arab Spring" will not work unless the reform their entire way of doing things, most critically they need to secularise their entire education systems and have full legal equality for women...

...and since neither seem to be on the cards it's going to be business as usual. I see Egypt is already stepping up persecution of the Christian Copts - the people who are descendants of the ancient Egyptians...nice

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Norm - make note of this date. I agree with you.

That said, Egyptian women are actually quite empowered in the government. Nearly all of the ministries are run by 60 year old women.
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Old May 19th 2011, 9:07 am
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Norm - make note of this date. I agree with you.

That said, Egyptian women are actually quite empowered in the government. Nearly all of the ministries are run by 60 year old women.
That explains the man boobs on Mubarak...hmmm.

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That explains the man boobs on Mubarak...hmmm.

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