Originally Posted by redShark (Post 11752080)

..... there are deviant Muslims who wish to practice Shirk at the prophet’s grave (thanks to the Saudis, they are not allowed) , and that they are bad doers. .

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 11752080)

Frankly speaking I don’t really take you seriously when it comes to discussing religious matters. Your knowledge of Islam is very moderate which is quite normal for someone who does not take his religion seriously. I myself very different as I am very serious about what I believe in, and I expect the same thing when somebody wishes to debate ethics/ theology with me, otherwise I just skip over.

Regarding the point you raised, you seem to agree that there are deviant Muslims who wish to practice Shirk at the prophet’s grave (thanks to the Saudis, they are not allowed) , and that they are bad doers. But I disagree with you that they should be allowed to do so, because Haj has to be done in accordance with how Quran described it. Any one wishes to do something different he can do it in his own temple. Otherwise, what would make Islam different from other religions if it was not mainly for the issue of Shirk!
To show you the seriousness of the subject of Shirik in Islam and to bring the idea closer to the British audience, the act of Shirk in Islam would amount, for example, to the Royal orchestra deliberately playing the French anthem when the Queen walks into the Royal Albert Hall.

besides, you are confusing the issue. I am not against the practice of visiting graves, in fact it is a healthy Islamic practice for a muslim to visit grave yards in order to remember death and reflect on the idea that one day it will be his/her turn in there. That is entirely different from someone going to graves to ask help from the dead.

Originally Posted by Tockalosh (Post 11752889)

I was down at choitrams at the top of safa park today and some atrocious blatant safety breaches on the flyover construction. All jingly supervisors.

Originally Posted by Irishbeekeeper (Post 11752721)

:cool:

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 11753381)

Well, I tell you what, I was halfway writing another reply to that fellow to have even more laughs but something unexpectedly happened while I was at it which I’ve interpreted as being a sign from the Almighty telling me to stop it right there and to remind me of the objectivity characteristic of a believer

Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 11753386)

you mean there was load-shedding and the lights went out?

Originally Posted by alfrombarking (Post 11753595)

simple question.

Why cant the al Saud's cut off their relationship with the clerics? what will they lose if the do?

Originally Posted by Tockalosh (Post 11752889)

I was down at choitrams at the top of safa park today and some atrocious blatant safety breaches on the flyover construction. All jingly supervisors.

Originally Posted by alfrombarking (Post 11753595)

simple question.

Why cant the al Saud's cut off their relationship with the clerics? what will they lose if the do?

Originally Posted by alfrombarking (Post 11753595)

simple question.

Why cant the al Saud's cut off their relationship with the clerics? what will they lose if the do?

Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 11753466)

Officers monitor screens monitoring 100k security men preparing for Mecca pilgrims | Daily Mail Online


not that the saudis are worried or anything...

Originally Posted by Irishbeekeeper (Post 11753632)

Rulership ;)