Welfare State Britain
Jan 26th 2010, 8:52 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
In 4 short months, or thereabouts, E.D., who never worked in UK, has managed to obtain housing benefits, money enough to pay for groceries plus has the luxury of broadband and a mobile phone.
Seems like she has done pretty well for herself all things considered.
A little show of gratitude now and again might not raise hackles so much.
Seems like she has done pretty well for herself all things considered.
A little show of gratitude now and again might not raise hackles so much.
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=574910
Jan 26th 2010, 8:55 pm
#77
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Re: Welfare State Britain
Jan 26th 2010, 9:05 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
Just because you think you have it worse than someone else doesn't justify kicking them while they are genuinely trying NOT to be on benefits.
Jan 26th 2010, 9:29 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
I think you are overstating the situation, and reading into it what you want.
The email you replied to was simply stating that she was surprised no-one told her she could get free meds or buy a certificate (which everyone is entitled to, whether you like it or not). If you bothered to read most of her posts since coming back, you'd realise she is not a scrounger or whiner, in contrast to the genuine spongers. Read her posts in the 50's thread - she's been busting her ass trying to get work, and has more gumption in her little finger than any of the real benefit spongers in this place. She's broke, and her husband is 1,000's of miles away. Quit picking on her!
What is the "X" years in your book, that gives someone the right to moan? You were away for 4 years - how would you feel if that was my idea of "X" years and told you to quit your whining because you don't have the right?
I gotta tell you, you are completely off-target here ... you should direct your sanctimonous, self-righteous attitude and point it at someone that deserves it (maybe go outside and yell at the neds in the street).
You're taking your pissed off attitude about the system and taking it out on someone who does not fit the profile of the kind of people you're pissed off at - in my opinion.
The email you replied to was simply stating that she was surprised no-one told her she could get free meds or buy a certificate (which everyone is entitled to, whether you like it or not). If you bothered to read most of her posts since coming back, you'd realise she is not a scrounger or whiner, in contrast to the genuine spongers. Read her posts in the 50's thread - she's been busting her ass trying to get work, and has more gumption in her little finger than any of the real benefit spongers in this place. She's broke, and her husband is 1,000's of miles away. Quit picking on her!
What is the "X" years in your book, that gives someone the right to moan? You were away for 4 years - how would you feel if that was my idea of "X" years and told you to quit your whining because you don't have the right?
I gotta tell you, you are completely off-target here ... you should direct your sanctimonous, self-righteous attitude and point it at someone that deserves it (maybe go outside and yell at the neds in the street).
You're taking your pissed off attitude about the system and taking it out on someone who does not fit the profile of the kind of people you're pissed off at - in my opinion.
she is entitled to any help that the UK gives to any other UK citizen, simply because she IS a UK citizen, and further more if this dessiree character whos sitting back judjing all us expats stops and actually thinks a little she would realize that we are not just coming to the country like all the illegal indians & pakistanis & all the rest who dont even bother to try find work but just go straight on welfare, these are the people that this woman should be moaning about, certainly not hard working people like Easterndawn who is disparately every day trying to find work of any kind so she can support herself and later bring out her husband & Dogs, does this woman know that Easterndawn put out 15 cv's in one week alone and same week joined two employment agencies, and any little help that we get from OUR GOVERNMENT in the UK for us it is only very temporary because thats the kind of people we are, expats who have lived at least half of our adult life like me in countries like USA and Canada where we are the hardest workers there are because we have to work hard to make it, and we dont get 5 or 6 weeks holiday a year like all the pampered british workers, we only get one or two weeks and for that we have to be at the same company for at least three years, anyway Dunroving again good on ya,
Rodney.
Jan 26th 2010, 9:34 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
Good for you dunroving, totaly agree with all your comments about Easterndawn, she deserves NO criticism from anyone back home whatsoever,
she is entitled to any help that the UK gives to any other UK citizen, simply because she IS a UK citizen, and further more if this dessiree character whos sitting back judjing all us expats stops and actually thinks a little she would realize that we are not just coming to the country like all the illegal indians & pakistanis & all the rest who dont even bother to try find work but just go straight on welfare, these are the people that this woman should be moaning about, certainly not hard working people like Easterndawn who is disparately every day trying to find work of any kind so she can support herself and later bring out her husband & Dogs, does this woman know that Easterndawn put out 15 cv's in one week alone and same week joined two employment agencies, and any little help that we get from OUR GOVERNMENT in the UK for us it is only very temporary because thats the kind of people we are, expats who have lived at least half of our adult life like me in countries like USA and Canada where we are the hardest workers there are because we have to work hard to make it, and we dont get 5 or 6 weeks holiday a year like all the pampered british workers, we only get one or two weeks and for that we have to be at the same company for at least three years, anyway Dunroving again good on ya,
Rodney.
she is entitled to any help that the UK gives to any other UK citizen, simply because she IS a UK citizen, and further more if this dessiree character whos sitting back judjing all us expats stops and actually thinks a little she would realize that we are not just coming to the country like all the illegal indians & pakistanis & all the rest who dont even bother to try find work but just go straight on welfare, these are the people that this woman should be moaning about, certainly not hard working people like Easterndawn who is disparately every day trying to find work of any kind so she can support herself and later bring out her husband & Dogs, does this woman know that Easterndawn put out 15 cv's in one week alone and same week joined two employment agencies, and any little help that we get from OUR GOVERNMENT in the UK for us it is only very temporary because thats the kind of people we are, expats who have lived at least half of our adult life like me in countries like USA and Canada where we are the hardest workers there are because we have to work hard to make it, and we dont get 5 or 6 weeks holiday a year like all the pampered british workers, we only get one or two weeks and for that we have to be at the same company for at least three years, anyway Dunroving again good on ya,
Rodney.
Jan 26th 2010, 9:37 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
Migrants from all over the EU are getting far more. Never mind, they or their parents or grand-parents paid nothing into the system EVER EVER EVER...........
At least with ED she is British, she was emigrated to Canada as a child who had no say in the matter. Do you know anything about her and her circumstances, how many years her parents, grandparents and other forebears worked and paid taxes?
What is that saying about not judging people who have not walked in their shoes?
This lady who is trying so hard to find a job and make a living is not some bloody EU/Iraqi/Egyptian/Somalian/Afghani/whatever migrant trying to get here from France in a truck or via the Eurotunnel, she is BRITISH!!!
Do you have ANY idea of how it feels to live in another country where you don't want to live and are TRAPPED by life's circumstances?
NO??
I didn't think so..........
Jan 26th 2010, 9:55 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
Personally I think it's great that people have these expectations of support. The rest of the world could learn a thing or seven from what is generally a fantastic system even if it is abused by some.
Jan 26th 2010, 10:22 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
This part of BE is supposed to be for the support of people trying to, who want to, or who have, returned to the UK. You're picking on an easy target rather than address the real problem we've been talking about on this thread, namely lifetime benefits scroungers.
Just because you think you have it worse than someone else doesn't justify kicking them while they are genuinely trying NOT to be on benefits.
Just because you think you have it worse than someone else doesn't justify kicking them while they are genuinely trying NOT to be on benefits.
All some of us have are the online newspapers/radio etc. So people who are back in the UK are a real plus. Keep up the postings Dunrovin!
Jan 26th 2010, 10:51 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
Good for you dunroving, totaly agree with all your comments about Easterndawn, she deserves NO criticism from anyone back home whatsoever,
she is entitled to any help that the UK gives to any other UK citizen, simply because she IS a UK citizen, and further more if this dessiree character whos sitting back judjing all us expats stops and actually thinks a little she would realize that we are not just coming to the country like all the illegal indians & pakistanis & all the rest who dont even bother to try find work but just go straight on welfare, these are the people that this woman should be moaning about, certainly not hard working people like Easterndawn who is disparately every day trying to find work of any kind so she can support herself and later bring out her husband & Dogs, does this woman know that Easterndawn put out 15 cv's in one week alone and same week joined two employment agencies, and any little help that we get from OUR GOVERNMENT in the UK for us it is only very temporary because thats the kind of people we are, expats who have lived at least half of our adult life like me in countries like USA and Canada where we are the hardest workers there are because we have to work hard to make it, and we dont get 5 or 6 weeks holiday a year like all the pampered british workers, we only get one or two weeks and for that we have to be at the same company for at least three years, anyway Dunroving again good on ya,
Rodney.
she is entitled to any help that the UK gives to any other UK citizen, simply because she IS a UK citizen, and further more if this dessiree character whos sitting back judjing all us expats stops and actually thinks a little she would realize that we are not just coming to the country like all the illegal indians & pakistanis & all the rest who dont even bother to try find work but just go straight on welfare, these are the people that this woman should be moaning about, certainly not hard working people like Easterndawn who is disparately every day trying to find work of any kind so she can support herself and later bring out her husband & Dogs, does this woman know that Easterndawn put out 15 cv's in one week alone and same week joined two employment agencies, and any little help that we get from OUR GOVERNMENT in the UK for us it is only very temporary because thats the kind of people we are, expats who have lived at least half of our adult life like me in countries like USA and Canada where we are the hardest workers there are because we have to work hard to make it, and we dont get 5 or 6 weeks holiday a year like all the pampered british workers, we only get one or two weeks and for that we have to be at the same company for at least three years, anyway Dunroving again good on ya,
Rodney.
Firstly I think that you will find most of the illiegal immigrants these days are from Eastern Europe and not India or Pakistan.
Secondly, in the 60's and 70's when the biggest influx of Indians and Pakistanis came to the UK, many of them were very hard working, set up their own businesses from scratch with little money, and worked their way through education to become well regarded businessmen/woman and professionals.
By the way I am not Indian or Pakistani but have a respect for the work ethic and attitude towards education.
Jan 26th 2010, 10:52 pm
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Jan 26th 2010, 10:53 pm
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Jan 26th 2010, 10:56 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
This part of BE is supposed to be for the support of people trying to, who want to, or who have, returned to the UK. You're picking on an easy target rather than address the real problem we've been talking about on this thread, namely lifetime benefits scroungers.
Just because you think you have it worse than someone else doesn't justify kicking them while they are genuinely trying NOT to be on benefits.
Just because you think you have it worse than someone else doesn't justify kicking them while they are genuinely trying NOT to be on benefits.
Jan 26th 2010, 11:08 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
I think you are overstating the situation, and reading into it what you want.
The email you replied to was simply stating that she was surprised no-one told her she could get free meds or buy a certificate (which everyone is entitled to, whether you like it or not). If you bothered to read most of her posts since coming back, you'd realise she is not a scrounger or whiner, in contrast to the genuine spongers. Read her posts in the 50's thread - she's been busting her ass trying to get work, and has more gumption in her little finger than any of the real benefit spongers in this place. She's broke, and her husband is 1,000's of miles away. Quit picking on her!
What is the "X" years in your book, that gives someone the right to moan? You were away for 4 years - how would you feel if that was my idea of "X" years and told you to quit your whining because you don't have the right?
I gotta tell you, you are completely off-target here ... you should direct your sanctimonous, self-righteous attitude and point it at someone that deserves it (maybe go outside and yell at the neds in the street).
You're taking your pissed off attitude about the system and taking it out on someone who does not fit the profile of the kind of people you're pissed off at - in my opinion.
The email you replied to was simply stating that she was surprised no-one told her she could get free meds or buy a certificate (which everyone is entitled to, whether you like it or not). If you bothered to read most of her posts since coming back, you'd realise she is not a scrounger or whiner, in contrast to the genuine spongers. Read her posts in the 50's thread - she's been busting her ass trying to get work, and has more gumption in her little finger than any of the real benefit spongers in this place. She's broke, and her husband is 1,000's of miles away. Quit picking on her!
What is the "X" years in your book, that gives someone the right to moan? You were away for 4 years - how would you feel if that was my idea of "X" years and told you to quit your whining because you don't have the right?
I gotta tell you, you are completely off-target here ... you should direct your sanctimonous, self-righteous attitude and point it at someone that deserves it (maybe go outside and yell at the neds in the street).
You're taking your pissed off attitude about the system and taking it out on someone who does not fit the profile of the kind of people you're pissed off at - in my opinion.
Jan 26th 2010, 11:19 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
I am afraid I have to take issue with your choice of nationalities.
Firstly I think that you will find most of the illiegal immigrants these days are from Eastern Europe and not India or Pakistan.
Secondly, in the 60's and 70's when the biggest influx of Indians and Pakistanis came to the UK, many of them were very hard working, set up their own businesses from scratch with little money, and worked their way through education to become well regarded businessmen/woman and professionals.
By the way I am not Indian or Pakistani but have a respect for the work ethic and attitude towards education.
Firstly I think that you will find most of the illiegal immigrants these days are from Eastern Europe and not India or Pakistan.
Secondly, in the 60's and 70's when the biggest influx of Indians and Pakistanis came to the UK, many of them were very hard working, set up their own businesses from scratch with little money, and worked their way through education to become well regarded businessmen/woman and professionals.
By the way I am not Indian or Pakistani but have a respect for the work ethic and attitude towards education.
Last edited by lilybilly101; Jan 26th 2010 at 11:22 pm.
Jan 26th 2010, 11:24 pm
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Re: Welfare State Britain
I have to agree with this. I have read many of ED threads/contributions on the over 50's thread. She could teach a few dole scroungers a thing or two about how the system is supposed to be used (ie to help you when you are down through no fault of your own, while you GENUINELY try to find work for yourself).