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Not quite sure that India fits that category. (It was certainly "screwed" but has made amazing recovery in 69 years).
However the visa situation is reciprocal, visas for India started around the time of the assassination of Mrs Gandhi, and the requirements are now very strict because of terrorism risks. those British of Indian origin and spouse etc. can get long term visas on 'proof' of origin, but again very strict as regards evidence.

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Once again, thanks for the answer.

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Just like Europe the Indian sub-continent is not one country. There are vast differences between the individual countries. India is stable and a major economic trading partner.
As to visas your original point, I can assure you for British getting even a tourist a visa for India is an headache for many. (They don't want to be overwhelmed by Brits. again. (Joke- the tourist industry is flourishing).

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Good link Dave: 10/12.

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Interesting comment(s). Received warm applause.

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Leave wins the Spectator Brexit debate at the London Palladium | Coffee House

I watched Daniel Hannan on Question Time the other week. Impressed.

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and now.............

Brexit - The Movie - Homepage

:)

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Neither are Canada, Australia and New Zealand - it's a matter of relativity. India may be richer and more stable than Pakistan or Bangladesh but by any indices you wish to use the countries of the subcontinent are collectively far poorer per capita and much less stable than Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK.

As for Indian visas, only the citizens of Bhutan, Maldives and Nepal can visit India visa-free, so it's not comparable with the UK's visa policy. In any case British citizens can now obtain an Indian e-Tourist visa quite easily.

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I don't know what your definition of 'stability' is? In what way would you consider India less 'stable' than the countries Canada, Australia etc.

Why would anyone ever want to consider the such different countries of the sub-continent collectively? That is not an issue.

Anyway I think it is all academic. I personally can't imagine India joining in any scheme with free movement over its borders.

Not sure what you mean by not comparable with UK's visa policy?

The e-visa for tourists started for UK this year, and is for 30 days. A slight problem is that it can only be applied for shortly before travel, so if it is refused for any reason it would be a mad rush to get an ordinary 6 months tourist visa. Yes it is, in general an improvement for holiday visitors and was welcomed by the tourist industry. Many travellers do like to get a 6 month multiple entry visa as before and stay longer
Overall things have become a little easier once time had passed since the David Headley debacle.

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On both the Fragile States Index and Global Peace Index India is considered more stable and peaceful than Pakistan and Bangladesh but AUSCANNZUK are significantly higher than India.

Not so different within the criteria being discussed.

I think you just answered your own question.

Again, only the citizen of three neighbouring countries can visit India visa-free so British citizens have it better than many other countries and I would hazard it is far simpler for a British citizen to obtain a visa for India than vice versa.

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How many of the neighbours of Canada, Australia and NZ are fighting over a corner of another's territory?

Canada - No
Australia - No
New Zealand - No
India - Yes. (Pakistan and China over the Kashmir region)

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To consider India not so different from Pakistan and Sri Lanka by any criteria, is ludicrous. Not the place on this the thread to explain why.

It was previously quite difficult for Indian people to get visas to visit UK but has now become much easier. For those using a travel agent the agent arranges everything, and a sponsorship letter etc.
It used to be necessary for the sponsor to get the letter signed by a Notary Public and even retired visitors to fill in their taxation details. We have in the past, even had to give evidence of our house registration when relatives visited from India. As I said it is much easier now.
(Although has always been easier for them to get visas for USA.)
The main problem for British wishing to stay long term is the 180 days limit for any one stay.

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Pakistan has previously invaded and continues to send insurgents over into the border of the State of Kashmir, part of India. I don't think a country defending itself could indicate that the country is unstable.*

(Australia and New Zealand are surrounded by sea!! Their neighbours are quite a long way away!!!!)

Anyway as I said in above post, India would not want to join in any scheme allowing free movement over its borders. So this discussion is just academic:lol: I think it started by somebody questioning why just a few countries of the Commonwealth would join together.

*Forgot to add---- Kashmir State is a popular tourist and skiing destination for domestic and foreign tourists.

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Am I to take it then that you think India has more in common with the UK and Canada than Pakistan?

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The UK has a 6 months out of any 12 month rule for most visitors to the UK.

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Is that a serious question?
With UK--genuine democracy, and government rule (not the army!). Freedom of religion, an independent justice system. Education for all, top class universities, haven't got links at the moment but the literacy rate for young people is 95%. In Pakistan less than 10% girls go to school. Food and gas subsidies for the poor. I could go on.
(The massive big city shopping malls probably more like USA than UK!!)

(I have never visited Canada)

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UK steel boost as MEPs oppose giving China market economy status

UK steelmakers have cheered a European parliament resolution opposing plans that they believe would kill off the industry by permanently opening the floodgates to cheap Chinese steel.

MEPs passed a resolution saying China should not be granted market economy status by Brussels, which could make it harder for officials to impose punitive tariffs on Chinese steel. Brussels is due to make a ruling this year.

But Conservative MEPs came under fire for failing to back the motion, while European steelmakers called on the UK to get behind efforts to strengthen the trade defences available to EU economies.

While the resolution carries no legal weight, steel trade bodies welcomed a move that they said sent a message to politicians that the European steel industry needs protection from China.

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Wow
I don't know what's worse. Brexit or the U.S. election.

Regardless of what happens tomorrow, I am sure in the long run everything will work out fine. I can't imagine long term problems by Britain leaving the EU.

My question is, how will Brexit affect immigration? I keep hearing so many different opinions on this subject.

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That is, of course, crap.

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Why is it crap?
Come on, give a reason.
Please don't be like an American politician who states something and then doesn't elaborate.

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Well it was you who made a specific initial claim with no attempt to justify it...

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Well just a few consequences of leaving the EU:

The recession will be extended by at least 4 years, necessitating even greater cuts in public spending. It is unlikely that the NHS, already in crisis, will not be affected.

Pensioner ex-pats living in EU countries will no longer receive the annual increase to their state pension. This is in addition to losing health care benefits and the fall in the pound reducing the value of their sterling pensions. Watch this forum for the cries of pain.

It will take around ten years for our trade agreements with the rest of the world to be negotiated, during which time our economy will suffer.

The Scottish Nationalists will demand another referendum, and this time are likely to win it. Additionally, the consequences for Ulster politics are likely to be dire. So, the break up of the United Kingdom is probable.

So, we'll all be worse off financially, our country will shrink in significance on the world stage, and we'll have political turmoil, but hey, we'll have our 'sovereignty' back and nobody can force us to eat straight bananas!

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You're right. I did make a claim however I wasn't rude in my post. I believe that everything will be fine if Britain leaves because the EU has failed. Britain needs to save itself. The EU will break up eventually and the U.K. should get out now before a bigger disaster potentially occurs.

Is there uncertainty if the UK leaves? Of course there is. Let Britain break off. If it doesn't work, Britain can always bid to rejoin the EU. Or is that not an option once the UK says bye?

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Hello
I'm curious, why would the recession last four years?
Is the British economy that bad?

I thought trade agreements were going to take two years to negotiate. That's what the economists are stating. Especially the American economists and yes we know how they fabricate information.


Why did Scotland want to leave the first time? Was it because the UK was part of the EU? If the UK leaves, wouldn't Scotland opt to stay Great Britain?

Sorry if the questions seem ridiculous but I'm trying to learn more about the UK.

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Of course there's uncertainty if the UK leaves. No-one knows how easy/difficult it will be to negotiate replacement trade deals, or how long these will take to complete? And anyone who says different is lying.

There's always an option to rejoin the EU, but it'll be under the EU's terms. Britain wont get the same opt-outs from the Schengen area, the Eurozone and closer integration that it currently has.

Is that a better option for the UK?

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More crap, But it's almost too late to bother explaining why. 20 minutes from now the die is cast.

I hope you're a confident gambler.

Times up. you're fate is sealed.

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Editha @ post# 143

How quickly can the divorce papers be signed, will it take 24 months or will Brussels push to get this done ASAP?

-Right now, as of Monday 27 June ...

- Is the Home Office/UKBA going move quickly on suspending the Surinder Singh route... hopefully yes

- Will all those presently in the UK from the EU (largest being Poland) who are not permanent residents be told to leave the UK....hopefully yes

- How quickly can the UK stop EU freedom of movement... hopefully by the end of 2016

- Will the UK airports change the border immigration passport control to remove the two tier entry of 'EU passport holders', to change it to British Citizens with EU passport holders lumped with 'all others' the way it was 40 odd years ago.... hopefully yes

- Will the EHIC for all the expats living in Europe be suspended... hopefully yes.

- What about the expats currently residing in Europe, will they be asked to leave, and if they are allowed to remain, will their indexed pensions no longer exist.... hopefully so

- What about the 'Good Friday' agreement between the Republic of Ireland & Northern Ireland, does that cease to exist .... hopefully so

- Within the next 36 months will Scotland & Northern Ireland have a a 'to separate from the UK referendum'.... hopefully so with a yes outcome.

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Nothing is going to change for at least two years save agitation for another Scottish independence referendum.

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The official exit will take around two years from whatever date the UK government informs the EU that they are exercising Article 50. This can be extended by agreement of all remaining 27 EU member states.

Is there a question?

No they're not. We are still an EU member until the official exit date.

It depends on the agreement between the UK and the EU. Any agreement to force EU nationals from the UK to leave would also very likely also force all UK nationals in other EU countries to return to the UK. It's a two-way street.

On the official exit date that the UK leaves the EU. Unless free movement continues as part of the UK-EU deal.

It depends on any UK-EU deal.

It depends on any UK-EU deal.

It depends on any UK-EU deal.

It depends on any UK-EU deal.

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The UK is not in recession. And even if it was the EU has never prevented recession, ask Greece or Spain. And indeed I can remember recessions in the UK in the 80s, 90s, naughties and this decade too.

Scottish Nationalists can demand a second referendum all it wants but it has just had one and it is not going to get another. Scottish Nationalists needs to start accepting democracy, that is two referendums they have lost and they are still bleating on.

I doubt very much that the UK will ever be insignificant on the world stage. However even if it was, I could not care less about posturing on the world stage. I care more about democracy and being able to vote in or out those governing me. I find it very odd that anyone thinks that living in a democracy is less important than size on the world stage.

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How did they "lose" this referendum when the country they represent - Scotland - voted overwhelmingly for remain?

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Economists have predicted that Brexit will push the UK into recession. So far, they appear to be correct.

Since the SNP is in power in Scotland, it is difficult to see what would prevent them holding a referendum unilaterally, even if they don't get the agreement of Westminster.

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Possible unintended consequences of this short-sighted Brexit vote ?




1. Unification of Ireland
2. Scottish Independence

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Because they voted to remain part of the UK, and the UK voted to leave the EU.

If they had wanted their decisions made in Scotland they should have voted to leave when they had the chance.

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A one day panic because economists got their predictions wrong does not make it a recession. Yes currency dropped, and shares dropped - they've done it before and I'm sure they'll do it again. But I'm sure they'll recover once everyone realises the sky is not falling.

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In what way did economists get their predictions wrong? I don't follow you.

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Sorry - probably posting a little without thinking. I think it was everybody else that thought that the UK would vote to remain.

If the economists have predicted that a leave vote will see the UK in a recession, then that is their prediction but a one day tumble does not make a recessions, and if the UK does end up in a recession in the future then who's to say it wouldn't have happened anyway. Not sure where the UK economy stands at the moment but by all accounts it's been doing well. Other economies have had it harder and not because of a leave vote.

Wherever the economy goes it's too early to be saying the economists are right is what I think I'm trying to say.

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Riiight. Cameron's gone or should be. Boris vs Theresa at Madison Square Garden over 15 rounds to decide which of them will eviscerate all the legal goodies the evil furriners have foisted on poor little England over the years.

What's going to happen when the Ukippers realise they've been sold a crock of shit? Or when NI joins Eire alongside Scotland in staying in the EU?

Oh, nothing much. :blink:

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Helpfully you've ignored all the changes that not2old suggested were going to happen immediately or in the very near future in his post I was replying to :rolleyes: