Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Well, from a financial point of view the team from moneyweek think it's even worse than bad. A short film........
http://pro.moneyweek.com/myk-eob-tpr...taboola&h=true
Probably of more interest to those who are concerned about long term personal finance for themselves and their families. A bit disappointed there was a sales pitch for the magazine at the end of the film. Nonetheless there are several points in the film worthy of discussion for those that care about the UK's future.
Well, from a financial point of view the team from moneyweek think it's even worse than bad. A short film........
http://pro.moneyweek.com/myk-eob-tpr...taboola&h=true
Probably of more interest to those who are concerned about long term personal finance for themselves and their families. A bit disappointed there was a sales pitch for the magazine at the end of the film. Nonetheless there are several points in the film worthy of discussion for those that care about the UK's future.
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Its interesting but it seems to acceptable to be overly (or indeed totally) negative but unacceptable to be seen as overly positive
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In this thread, I don't think that's true in fact if anything, I'd say negative views have been more ridiculed or cause for insult over the course of the many pages of posts.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Well, from a financial point of view the team from moneyweek think it's even worse than bad. A short film........
http://pro.moneyweek.com/myk-eob-tpr...taboola&h=true
Probably of more interest to those who are concerned about long term personal finance for themselves and their families. A bit disappointed there was a sales pitch for the magazine at the end of the film. Nonetheless there are several points in the film worthy of discussion for those that care about the UK's future.
Well, from a financial point of view the team from moneyweek think it's even worse than bad. A short film........
http://pro.moneyweek.com/myk-eob-tpr...taboola&h=true
Probably of more interest to those who are concerned about long term personal finance for themselves and their families. A bit disappointed there was a sales pitch for the magazine at the end of the film. Nonetheless there are several points in the film worthy of discussion for those that care about the UK's future.
My first lecture on statistics to the undergraduate students involves them doing calculations on data available on national debt, deficit, areas of public spending, etc., using much of the information that's readily available. It shocks the hell out of them.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
I also said that I've previously mentioned on this thread the situation in the UK will improve. I've also agreed that there isn't a definite answer for everyone, and it depends on a number of things including stage of life, and the situation that you find yourself in after you've returned.
Why is it more acceptable to you for someone to shout NO as their answer, than it is to recognise there isn't a definitive answer for everyone, and it is dependent on numerous factors?
I notice that you haven't responded to a previous question about a statement you made. Are you able validate your statement?
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Well, from a financial point of view the team from moneyweek think it's even worse than bad. A short film........
http://pro.moneyweek.com/myk-eob-tpr...taboola&h=true
Probably of more interest to those who are concerned about long term personal finance for themselves and their families. A bit disappointed there was a sales pitch for the magazine at the end of the film. Nonetheless there are several points in the film worthy of discussion for those that care about the UK's future.
Well, from a financial point of view the team from moneyweek think it's even worse than bad. A short film........
http://pro.moneyweek.com/myk-eob-tpr...taboola&h=true
Probably of more interest to those who are concerned about long term personal finance for themselves and their families. A bit disappointed there was a sales pitch for the magazine at the end of the film. Nonetheless there are several points in the film worthy of discussion for those that care about the UK's future.
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IF I'm successful in moving back to England, I think I will buy a subscription to Money Week. Spend my time walking on the beach, visiting medieval churches & National Trust properties, enjoying pub lunches ... Gotta have some grief in my life, I should read Money Week.
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IF I'm successful in moving back to England, I think I will buy a subscription to Money Week. Spend my time walking on the beach, visiting medieval churches & National Trust properties, enjoying pub lunches ... Gotta have some grief in my life, I should read Money Week.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Meaning UK has unemployment above a number of countries in the Eurozone. Let's see what some of these unemployment rates are:
Austria 4.8%
Germany 5.3%
Luxembourg 5.7%
Malta 6%
Netherlands 7%
Outside of the Eurozone, but still in the EU we have:
Denmark 6.7%
Czech Republic 6.8%
Romania 7.5%
Outside of the EU, but still in the EEA we also have:
Iceland 5.5%
The 7.7% in the UK is not good by itself, it's also not good when looking at quite a few other nearby countries.
(figures taken from eurostat)
Austria 4.8%
Germany 5.3%
Luxembourg 5.7%
Malta 6%
Netherlands 7%
Outside of the Eurozone, but still in the EU we have:
Denmark 6.7%
Czech Republic 6.8%
Romania 7.5%
Outside of the EU, but still in the EEA we also have:
Iceland 5.5%
The 7.7% in the UK is not good by itself, it's also not good when looking at quite a few other nearby countries.
(figures taken from eurostat)
Only TWO of the countries you quote have employment rates higher than the UK. Most are less, some very substantially so.
The EU average rate of unemployment is 12.10 or 13.0 depending on which figures you use. The Eurozone rate of unemployment is 11.0 percent.
More specifically - France 10.9. Italy 12.0, Portugal 16.4, Spain 25.3 but youth unemployment 56!!!) (dropping fast as people emigrate to find jobs) Greece 28.
Compared to the UK that looks pretty bad to me. And, I suspect, to everyone else.
The ONLY person trying to paint a one sided picture is you. Neither I, nor any other poster that I have read, maintains that everything is rosy in the UK. It is not. Life IS hard on state support mechanisms, but the underlying truth is that there is far more chance of getting a job in the UK than just about anywhere else.
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I believe the conversation was about job creation, not unemployment. Thank you at least for accepting that the rate of job creation is 700 percent higher than you thought. (In fact over time it is higher still).
Only TWO of the countries you quote have employment rates higher than the UK. Most are less, some very substantially so.
The EU average rate of unemployment is 12.10 or 13.0 depending on which figures you use. The Eurozone rate of unemployment is 11.0 percent.
More specifically - France 10.9. Italy 12.0, Portugal 16.4, Spain 25.3 but youth unemployment 56!!!) (dropping fast as people emigrate to find jobs) Greece 28.
Compared to the UK that looks pretty bad to me. And, I suspect, to everyone else.
The ONLY person trying to paint a one sided picture is you. Neither I, nor any other poster that I have read, maintains that everything is rosy in the UK. It is not. Life IS hard on state support mechanisms, but the underlying truth is that there is far more chance of getting a job in the UK than just about anywhere else.
Only TWO of the countries you quote have employment rates higher than the UK. Most are less, some very substantially so.
The EU average rate of unemployment is 12.10 or 13.0 depending on which figures you use. The Eurozone rate of unemployment is 11.0 percent.
More specifically - France 10.9. Italy 12.0, Portugal 16.4, Spain 25.3 but youth unemployment 56!!!) (dropping fast as people emigrate to find jobs) Greece 28.
Compared to the UK that looks pretty bad to me. And, I suspect, to everyone else.
The ONLY person trying to paint a one sided picture is you. Neither I, nor any other poster that I have read, maintains that everything is rosy in the UK. It is not. Life IS hard on state support mechanisms, but the underlying truth is that there is far more chance of getting a job in the UK than just about anywhere else.
I have certainly never said all is rosy but it is far more rewarding celebrating the good positive things and let a few others dwell on the not so good. Like literally everywhere there is good and bad but lets face it overall there is much more good than bad in the UK.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
The EU average rate of unemployment is 12.10 or 13.0 depending on which figures you use. The Eurozone rate of unemployment is 11.0 percent.
More specifically - France 10.9. Italy 12.0, Portugal 16.4, Spain 25.3 but youth unemployment 56!!!) (dropping fast as people emigrate to find jobs) Greece 28.
Compared to the UK that looks pretty bad to me. And, I suspect, to everyone else.
More specifically - France 10.9. Italy 12.0, Portugal 16.4, Spain 25.3 but youth unemployment 56!!!) (dropping fast as people emigrate to find jobs) Greece 28.
Compared to the UK that looks pretty bad to me. And, I suspect, to everyone else.
The ONLY person trying to paint a one sided picture is you. Neither I, nor any other poster that I have read, maintains that everything is rosy in the UK. It is not. Life IS hard on state support mechanisms, but the underlying truth is that there is far more chance of getting a job in the UK than just about anywhere else.
As I've said, some posters on here (including you) have only gone on how great it is in the UK, and if anything is shown as negative then it is jumped upon and torn apart. Even when stats and articles are shown to evidence the negative aspects, which has happened in far more posts to show negative things than it has for positive.
I'm not sure how you can say I'm trying to paint a one sided picture - I've posted negative articles and stats for the UK as it currently stands, however I have also stated that I believe things will improve for the UK and that there is not a definitive answer to the question for everyone (i.e. yes or no (or should that be NO?)).
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Well you've succeeded, Roaringmouse - I've lost the will to live.