OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
Nov 21st 2010, 7:03 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
THAT DOES IT. AFTER READING THAT I'M PACKING MY BAGS.
Rodney we wont tell people about when a man was shot dead, by the police, outside your local Costco recently. I think he was killed, dead, because he didn't follow the police instructions. "DO IT NOW!"
On a lighter note. Rodney, don't giggle when they pat you down and tickle you in the groin at the airport.
Rodney we wont tell people about when a man was shot dead, by the police, outside your local Costco recently. I think he was killed, dead, because he didn't follow the police instructions. "DO IT NOW!"
On a lighter note. Rodney, don't giggle when they pat you down and tickle you in the groin at the airport.
Nov 21st 2010, 7:09 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
hello Tanto, the oft repeated advice of where to start is to become a US Citizen. A green card expires after you have been out of the US 1 year or so.
Being USC has benefits and minor negatives.
It protects whatever assets you may leave behind in US from higher taxes that target those ultra-rich USC that give up USC to avoid paying any US tax. And who knows how Government will view SS pension to non-citizens in future despite having contributed.
USC gives you an unburnt bridge in case you later choose to return to US to visit or permanently.
As USC you will be expected to maintain a US passport and file your annual tax to IRS as always but likelihood of needing to pay any more than you will pay in UK is unlikely.
The USC test is not difficult provided you do a bit of homework and can answer the sample questions, my questions at the interview were a. what are the colors of the flag, b. who is vice president. Study books are available in bookstores and for me were an interesting insight into America / Americans.
Doing the study gave me a sense of purpose and a confidence boost, an achievement, to actually past the test and get the status.
best wishes to you on your journey.
Being USC has benefits and minor negatives.
It protects whatever assets you may leave behind in US from higher taxes that target those ultra-rich USC that give up USC to avoid paying any US tax. And who knows how Government will view SS pension to non-citizens in future despite having contributed.
USC gives you an unburnt bridge in case you later choose to return to US to visit or permanently.
As USC you will be expected to maintain a US passport and file your annual tax to IRS as always but likelihood of needing to pay any more than you will pay in UK is unlikely.
The USC test is not difficult provided you do a bit of homework and can answer the sample questions, my questions at the interview were a. what are the colors of the flag, b. who is vice president. Study books are available in bookstores and for me were an interesting insight into America / Americans.
Doing the study gave me a sense of purpose and a confidence boost, an achievement, to actually past the test and get the status.
best wishes to you on your journey.
Thank you for your helpful advice - I have never seen the reasons for citizenship stated quite this way before - makes total sense! A sense of purpose and confidence boost - the most I've had lately is going to the grocery store to buy cat food!!
I'm keeping this short as my previous reply got a little messed up - still learning how this all functions.
More later and thank you for taking the time to reply.
Tanto
Nov 21st 2010, 7:26 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
Welcome Tanto, you are surely in the right place here, speak up and join in, don't just be a lurker.
I have found that has helped me enormously to make my decision, it's like a kind of therapy because you can truly be yourself here without pretending your life is "fine" when it isn't.
Just getting into how I FEEL is the key for me, why don't you try it........otherwise you are just suppressing and stuffing down and that can lead to illness......
I have found that has helped me enormously to make my decision, it's like a kind of therapy because you can truly be yourself here without pretending your life is "fine" when it isn't.
Just getting into how I FEEL is the key for me, why don't you try it........otherwise you are just suppressing and stuffing down and that can lead to illness......
Lovely words of encouragement! I will try to speak up with the knowledge that everyone here understands what I'm talking about and are not bored with listening to me - so freeing! Most of the time here I feel like I've got 2 heads......
Hope you're making progress with the airline ticket - from the US, flights are cheaper mid-week.
More to come.........
Tanto
Nov 21st 2010, 7:34 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
Yes, I had accumulated 6.5 days the day I started and then in January I will have 4 weeks and all the bank holidays/ In Canada I think I only ever accumulated 2 weeks, I think my husband managed 3, when he worked for the provincial government for 12 years.
I did think about the charity shops the only thing is that next year I would have to make sure that it is digital or something like that as it changes then, so would either have to buy a box or a new TV. So I will wait for a couple of months and buy a flat screeen which will come with Free View built in, will just use my little one until then.
Nov 21st 2010, 7:45 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
ED As here in NE USA I'm five hours behind you, I'd better wish you a VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY for tomorrow right now!
Hope you have a lovely day and although the rest of your family isn't with you, I trust you are hopeful they will be able to come soon....
In the meantime, you are surrounded by birthday wishes!!!
Tina
Hope you have a lovely day and although the rest of your family isn't with you, I trust you are hopeful they will be able to come soon....
In the meantime, you are surrounded by birthday wishes!!!
Tina
Nov 21st 2010, 8:05 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
Oh, I forgot about your nephews wedding, although I am sure you will find a better price soon.
Yes, I had accumulated 6.5 days the day I started and then in January I will have 4 weeks and all the bank holidays/ In Canada I think I only ever accumulated 2 weeks, I think my husband managed 3, when he worked for the provincial government for 12 years.
I did think about the charity shops the only thing is that next year I would have to make sure that it is digital or something like that as it changes then, so would either have to buy a box or a new TV. So I will wait for a couple of months and buy a flat screeen which will come with Free View built in, will just use my little one until then.
Yes, I had accumulated 6.5 days the day I started and then in January I will have 4 weeks and all the bank holidays/ In Canada I think I only ever accumulated 2 weeks, I think my husband managed 3, when he worked for the provincial government for 12 years.
I did think about the charity shops the only thing is that next year I would have to make sure that it is digital or something like that as it changes then, so would either have to buy a box or a new TV. So I will wait for a couple of months and buy a flat screeen which will come with Free View built in, will just use my little one until then.
Nov 21st 2010, 8:34 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
And Rodney I cannot believe you only get 2 weeks a year holiday - is that standard in the USA??
Here it is 4 weeks annual leave for most people and shift workers get 5 weeks leave usually.
And I think Peigi is having to take holidays as she has accumulated some already?
I remember when I joined the civil service on my stint back in the UK in 1986, I was told on the day I joined that I had 6 months fully paid sick leave up my sleeve already!!
Barb...
There are NO government laws/regulations as far as holidays/vacations go in America, each company can give you what holidays they please, or none at all I suppose.
I've been here 34 years and the most I've ever had was 3 weeks, I worked for a large retailer that promised One week after one year, Two weeks after two years and Three weeks after eight years of service, On year 8 I got three weeks, soon after that the company was bought out by a major corporation, they changed all the rules, Year nine I was back to two weeks, plus we got a considerable pay reduction that lasted for years, they said they were having a financial struggle, hahahahaaaa Im sure they were.
That's the America I know, the Big Corporations keep you down and work you hard, a form of Legalized slavery, by the way I was in management.
When I tell Americans about the British laws and how Brit's get treated I don't think they really believe me, its hard for them to fathom, over the last thirty years they have been brainwashed by our system as its manipulated the working class.
Not everybody gets treated as I did, some people do OK, it all depends on the company, I know people who have Government jobs fair much better and if you work for a blue chip company I'm sure they treat you better too.
An Instant 6 months sick time hahahaaaaaa... you have to be joking.
Sick time is built up over time, they more you work the more you accumulate, there are no standard packages anywhere I have worked, and you cant take that in cash when you leave, its use it or lose it.
The company I worked for hardly ever fired anyone, if they wanted to get rid of you they would just not schedule any hours for you that week, you'd check next weeks schedule and you had no hours again, after a few weeks you'd get the general idea, this is how they treated employees, it saved them from getting black marks against them from the employment office.
In some ways Life is tough here, I've worked in two countries and know the difference.
Others may say different, but that's their experience not mine.
How depressing.
I often think this is why some people go postal, bringing guns to work and shooting bosses and employees, they are physically and mentally worn out and at their wits end.
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Nov 21st 2010, 8:36 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
ED As here in NE USA I'm five hours behind you, I'd better wish you a VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY for tomorrow right now!
Hope you have a lovely day and although the rest of your family isn't with you, I trust you are hopeful they will be able to come soon....
In the meantime, you are surrounded by birthday wishes!!!
Tina
Hope you have a lovely day and although the rest of your family isn't with you, I trust you are hopeful they will be able to come soon....
In the meantime, you are surrounded by birthday wishes!!!
Tina
Nov 21st 2010, 8:48 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
Tanto...
I know the big picture is daunting, I sometimes wonder how I'm going to actually do this myself, but I also know I cant stay here, the risk of going broke is too high and I'm not much of a gambler, I have two sisters here but I don't see a future here for me, and Yes I will miss them dearly as we are close, I feel awful leaving them, Life seems so empty since my parents passed on, I was so involved with them.
I say set a goal, after reading these real life stories you know its attainable, you really can do this, it all depends what you expect and what you want out of life, I say make lists and tick off things as you go and you will see progress, make a habit of writing it down so you don't forget.
You will need to sell your house, so the first thing to do is tidy up and make it saleable, de-clutter, start going through things one room at a time, make three piles, Save, Garage sale, and throw away, what ever doesn't sell at your garage sale donate, money has never grown on trees so sell what you can, and still it feels good to give to those in need, Once you've done that its realtor time, The housing market is bad, unless you can afford to sell it cheap it may take some time, you will need some patience...
You are homesick and lonely but don't feel too down on yourself, you have a leg up on many that have little funds to return, so feel good about yourself, put a smile on your face, make goals and hopefully you will be buying a ticket home asap.
I know having no family help can be very difficult, do you have any contacts in the UK that may want to help you???
JJs post #7824 was a good one, be sure to read it if you haven't already, Id get citizenship if I was you, I'm concerned about Social security payments down the road too... The test is not so difficult, If I can do it anyone can, I had many questions and answered 100% on my test which is a first for me, I was so proud of myself...
I wish you much luck, the sooner you start the sooner you will get on with your life, its time for a change, A Good Change...
I know the big picture is daunting, I sometimes wonder how I'm going to actually do this myself, but I also know I cant stay here, the risk of going broke is too high and I'm not much of a gambler, I have two sisters here but I don't see a future here for me, and Yes I will miss them dearly as we are close, I feel awful leaving them, Life seems so empty since my parents passed on, I was so involved with them.
I say set a goal, after reading these real life stories you know its attainable, you really can do this, it all depends what you expect and what you want out of life, I say make lists and tick off things as you go and you will see progress, make a habit of writing it down so you don't forget.
You will need to sell your house, so the first thing to do is tidy up and make it saleable, de-clutter, start going through things one room at a time, make three piles, Save, Garage sale, and throw away, what ever doesn't sell at your garage sale donate, money has never grown on trees so sell what you can, and still it feels good to give to those in need, Once you've done that its realtor time, The housing market is bad, unless you can afford to sell it cheap it may take some time, you will need some patience...
You are homesick and lonely but don't feel too down on yourself, you have a leg up on many that have little funds to return, so feel good about yourself, put a smile on your face, make goals and hopefully you will be buying a ticket home asap.
I know having no family help can be very difficult, do you have any contacts in the UK that may want to help you???
JJs post #7824 was a good one, be sure to read it if you haven't already, Id get citizenship if I was you, I'm concerned about Social security payments down the road too... The test is not so difficult, If I can do it anyone can, I had many questions and answered 100% on my test which is a first for me, I was so proud of myself...
I wish you much luck, the sooner you start the sooner you will get on with your life, its time for a change, A Good Change...
Such wonderful, practical advice. Yes, I must start making lists again and begin at the beginning. I get into thinking (fretting) too much, but do much better taking action and not thinking at all!
I will have to think about the contacts I have in the UK.....some possibilities do come to mind. I spoke to the cousin of a friend last year who is now retired in Suffolk (via Japanese pow camp, Phillipines, San Fran, Italy and London). She loves where she lives and I had planned to visit but she got too busy. She did have some great insight into the 'repat' situation.......
I will do some more sorting of 'stuff' - I did take many bags to the thrift store a year or two ago (when I started walking and carrying again) and the 3 piles of things is a great idea.
Some questions for you - are you waiting to sell your house before you go back to the UK (I know you've written about it at some point)? Is that the reason you are still here? Where will you go when you get back to the UK?
Yes, the sooner I start!!! I am a great procrastinator........you will all have to give me a kick in the backside from time to time!!!! It's time for a Good
Change!
Thank you again for your words, Fish.
More later,
Tanto
Nov 21st 2010, 9:40 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
I've been here 34 years and the most I've ever had was 3 weeks, I worked for a large retailer that promised One week after one year, Two weeks after two years and Three weeks after eight years of service, On year 8 I got three weeks,
Others may say different, but that's their experience not mine.
I often think this is why some people go postal, bringing guns to work and shooting bosses and employees, they are physically and mentally worn out and at their wits end.
It is quite common these days that when you get let go that they arrange for a guard, if available, to escort you off the property in case you go postal.
It must be a nightmare when a US company buys a UK company and they then realize the liberal benefits they have to pay. They usually get around it eventually, if possible, by closing down the company or location. Remember the US company, Kraft, that bought Cadburys and said they wouldn't close a factory but then they did.
Nov 21st 2010, 9:44 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
Barb...
There are NO government laws/regulations as far as holidays/vacations go in America, each company can give you what holidays they please, or none at all I suppose.
I've been here 34 years and the most I've ever had was 3 weeks, I worked for a large retailer that promised One week after one year, Two weeks after two years and Three weeks after eight years of service, On year 8 I got three weeks, soon after that the company was bought out by a major corporation, they changed all the rules, Year nine I was back to two weeks, plus we got a considerable pay reduction that lasted for years, they said they were having a financial struggle, hahahahaaaa Im sure they were.
That's the America I know, the Big Corporations keep you down and work you hard, a form of Legalized slavery, by the way I was in management.
When I tell Americans about the British laws and how Brit's get treated I don't think they really believe me, its hard for them to fathom, over the last thirty years they have been brainwashed by our system as its manipulated the working class.
Not everybody gets treated as I did, some people do OK, it all depends on the company, I know people who have Government jobs fair much better and if you work for a blue chip company I'm sure they treat you better too.
An Instant 6 months sick time hahahaaaaaa... you have to be joking.
Sick time is built up over time, they more you work the more you accumulate, there are no standard packages anywhere I have worked, and you cant take that in cash when you leave, its use it or lose it.
The company I worked for hardly ever fired anyone, if they wanted to get rid of you they would just not schedule any hours for you that week, you'd check next weeks schedule and you had no hours again, after a few weeks you'd get the general idea, this is how they treated employees, it saved them from getting black marks against them from the employment office.
In some ways Life is tough here, I've worked in two countries and know the difference.
Others may say different, but that's their experience not mine.
How depressing.
I often think this is why some people go postal, bringing guns to work and shooting bosses and employees, they are physically and mentally worn out and at their wits end.
There are NO government laws/regulations as far as holidays/vacations go in America, each company can give you what holidays they please, or none at all I suppose.
I've been here 34 years and the most I've ever had was 3 weeks, I worked for a large retailer that promised One week after one year, Two weeks after two years and Three weeks after eight years of service, On year 8 I got three weeks, soon after that the company was bought out by a major corporation, they changed all the rules, Year nine I was back to two weeks, plus we got a considerable pay reduction that lasted for years, they said they were having a financial struggle, hahahahaaaa Im sure they were.
That's the America I know, the Big Corporations keep you down and work you hard, a form of Legalized slavery, by the way I was in management.
When I tell Americans about the British laws and how Brit's get treated I don't think they really believe me, its hard for them to fathom, over the last thirty years they have been brainwashed by our system as its manipulated the working class.
Not everybody gets treated as I did, some people do OK, it all depends on the company, I know people who have Government jobs fair much better and if you work for a blue chip company I'm sure they treat you better too.
An Instant 6 months sick time hahahaaaaaa... you have to be joking.
Sick time is built up over time, they more you work the more you accumulate, there are no standard packages anywhere I have worked, and you cant take that in cash when you leave, its use it or lose it.
The company I worked for hardly ever fired anyone, if they wanted to get rid of you they would just not schedule any hours for you that week, you'd check next weeks schedule and you had no hours again, after a few weeks you'd get the general idea, this is how they treated employees, it saved them from getting black marks against them from the employment office.
In some ways Life is tough here, I've worked in two countries and know the difference.
Others may say different, but that's their experience not mine.
How depressing.
I often think this is why some people go postal, bringing guns to work and shooting bosses and employees, they are physically and mentally worn out and at their wits end.
Almost exactly the same thing happened to me ..worked 8 years finally got to 3 weeks vacation, and they got bought out by someone else, and I was cut back to 2. No raises for 3 years because of the economy!!!!...If they want to get rid of you they just cut your hours back to nothing. I have been on Family leave because of my surgery, and the Doctor said I can go back in 2 weeks part time light duty, and they said they dont let people come back light duty, I need to be 100%, my Doc said I wont be there for a few months, so I am, to use an american term screwed, going home in february if I can make it that long, and only that far out because i have to have a cat scan in January. Regardless of the results I will have to go home anyway because I wont have any health insurance by then.....aint life grand??
Jackie
Nov 21st 2010, 10:11 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
You have it right but you can take the benefits one step further and only work someone 30 hours a week and classify them part-time and they get no benefits at all.
It is quite common these days that when you get let go that they arrange for a guard, if available, to escort you off the property in case you go postal.
It must be a nightmare when a US company buys a UK company and they then realize the liberal benefits they have to pay. They usually get around it eventually, if possible, by closing down the company or location. Remember the US company, Kraft, that bought Cadburys and said they wouldn't close a factory but then they did.
It is quite common these days that when you get let go that they arrange for a guard, if available, to escort you off the property in case you go postal.
It must be a nightmare when a US company buys a UK company and they then realize the liberal benefits they have to pay. They usually get around it eventually, if possible, by closing down the company or location. Remember the US company, Kraft, that bought Cadburys and said they wouldn't close a factory but then they did.
I Couldnt beleive it when Walmart bought Asda as they dont play ball with any unions.
I know they tried to mess with Asda employees some years ago but a transport Union sorted that one out, I cant remember the exact deatils except to say the trucks drivers would not deliver to asda at an important time leaving the shelves bare, so they had to back off...
Its too bad about Kraft, Id love to boycott them but I love Cadburys just a little too much.
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Nov 21st 2010, 10:31 pm
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OMG Fish.
Almost exactly the same thing happened to me ..worked 8 years finally got to 3 weeks vacation, and they got bought out by someone else, and I was cut back to 2. No raises for 3 years because of the economy!!!!...If they want to get rid of you they just cut your hours back to nothing. I have been on Family leave because of my surgery, and the Doctor said I can go back in 2 weeks part time light duty, and they said they dont let people come back light duty, I need to be 100%, my Doc said I wont be there for a few months, so I am, to use an american term screwed, going home in february if I can make it that long, and only that far out because i have to have a cat scan in January. Regardless of the results I will have to go home anyway because I wont have any health insurance by then.....aint life grand??
Jackie
Almost exactly the same thing happened to me ..worked 8 years finally got to 3 weeks vacation, and they got bought out by someone else, and I was cut back to 2. No raises for 3 years because of the economy!!!!...If they want to get rid of you they just cut your hours back to nothing. I have been on Family leave because of my surgery, and the Doctor said I can go back in 2 weeks part time light duty, and they said they dont let people come back light duty, I need to be 100%, my Doc said I wont be there for a few months, so I am, to use an american term screwed, going home in february if I can make it that long, and only that far out because i have to have a cat scan in January. Regardless of the results I will have to go home anyway because I wont have any health insurance by then.....aint life grand??
Jackie
Hello Jackie...
Cutting back benefits, vacation time and pay, its a well known tactic done by many corporations, they know they are going to do these things before they take over, the only people surprised are the employees who help build that company, It's all part of their plan to put more money in their pockets from day one, by cutting pay you make employees more desperate needing their jobs even more, as most people here live week to week.
Light Duty, Yep I know that story well, it was unheard of for people in our company to be able to come back on light duty, they consider it a risk and don't want any part of that.
Screwed is Right... It's a good job your mind is already made up to go back or you would be in a bind, No medical benefits, and because you've had this medical problem many would shy away from hiring you as they don't want their medical Insurance costs to rise, essentially you'd have to work for someone that doesn't offer medical benefits.
Id love for others to speak up if they think I am not telling the truth or have a difference of opinion, I don't claim to be the smartest guy around, I only speak from my experience.
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Nov 21st 2010, 10:41 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
Hello Jackie...
Cutting back benefits, vacation time and pay, its a well known tactic done by many corporations, they know they are going to do these things before they take over, the only people surprised are the employees who help build that company, It's all part of their plan to put more money in their pockets from day one, by cutting pay you make employees more desperate needing their jobs even more, as most people here live week to week.
Light Duty, Yep I know that story well, it was unheard of for people in our company to be able to come back on light duty, they consider it a risk and don't want any part of that.
Screwed is Right... It's a good job your mind is already made up to go back or you would be in a bind, No medical benefits, and because you've had this medical problem many would shy away from hiring you as they don't want their medical Insurance costs to rise, essentially you'd have to work for someone that doesn't offer medical benefits.
Id love for others to speak up if they think I am not telling the truth or have a difference of opinion, I don't claim to be the smartest guy around, I only speak from my experience.
Cutting back benefits, vacation time and pay, its a well known tactic done by many corporations, they know they are going to do these things before they take over, the only people surprised are the employees who help build that company, It's all part of their plan to put more money in their pockets from day one, by cutting pay you make employees more desperate needing their jobs even more, as most people here live week to week.
Light Duty, Yep I know that story well, it was unheard of for people in our company to be able to come back on light duty, they consider it a risk and don't want any part of that.
Screwed is Right... It's a good job your mind is already made up to go back or you would be in a bind, No medical benefits, and because you've had this medical problem many would shy away from hiring you as they don't want their medical Insurance costs to rise, essentially you'd have to work for someone that doesn't offer medical benefits.
Id love for others to speak up if they think I am not telling the truth or have a difference of opinion, I don't claim to be the smartest guy around, I only speak from my experience.
Jackie
Nov 21st 2010, 10:48 pm
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Re: OVER 50's & 60's MOVING BACK TO THE UK.
I have lost everything in the past 3 months, and I worked hard for many years..there is no safety net here...you had better have a huge savings account, because if you get sick, even with insurance..you have to be able to survive while you recover. I had already decided to go home before my diagnosis in September, it was not for free healthcare, but now that is a huge part of it...sad but true.
Jackie
Jackie
I tried to get my parents to leave this country for that very reason but they stayed, its a big Risk.
And people think you can lose it all in Vegas hahhaaaaaaa, at least they give you a chance to walk away when you are losing...