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Old Dec 3rd 2006, 9:18 am
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Originally Posted by louise4
Answered my own question


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Old Dec 3rd 2006, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by Rosie Cheeks
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Best behave yourself then
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Old Dec 3rd 2006, 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by louise4
Best behave yourself then
I'll try. Blimey that was really funny
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Old Dec 3rd 2006, 9:25 am
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So you can hold dual nationality in the UK. No restrictions here, so i think that we should be able to hold dual citizenship in OZ or it is very unfair to say that we have to give it up if everyone else can keep theirs.




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In general there is no restriction, in UK law, on a British national being a citizen of another country as well. So, if you get another nationality, you will not lose your British nationality. Similarly, you will not need to give up any other nationality when you become British. The Home Office provides more detailed information
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Originally Posted by HiddenPaw
You have an ageing population, a low birth rate, too many scroungers and not enough taxpayers to fund the economy. Hence your govt's huge immigration programme.

But in terms of natural resources, I don't believe the population growth targets are particularly well thought out.
Every western country has sub-replacement birth rates. How the aged welfare problem will be dealt with here by increasing the population to a level that is neither economically, socially or environmentally tenable long term is an utter mystery to me. Maybe the powers to be are of the view that if the aged are to have a shittier existence in the future, so can everyone else.

I don't understand what you are getting at with your reference to too many scroungers and not enough taxpayers. Our mineral resources, which are unbelievably vast, is sufficient to support the current population at the current standard of living (In the top 5 in the world as much as the antis here would probably deny) well into the future. The problem is we also have this little problem that has infected the rest of western europe, canada and japan called socialism. I believe in a safety net but at present, people here are being encouraged not to work through ridiculously excessive levels of welfare designed to keep public servants employed administering these programs and to secure the votes of welfare recipients.

Surely you can see the parallels between the UK and Australia in this regard?
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Originally Posted by Westralia
WA born and bred. 5th generation Australian.
Our culture has been in a permanent state of flux since Australia's inception. I can understand why migrants that are dissatisfied with certain aspects of the Australian way of life. However, we haven't been afforded periods of population stability European countries have to develop a common culture. This has been worsened with post 1970's policies of multiculturalism - the sanitised term for ethnic segregation.

I would recommend to anyone considering migrating here to take a map of Australia and replace the uninhabited interior desert regions with ocean, leaving strips of coastline and small islands not too dissimilar from the Indonesian archipelego. This will give you a visual representation of the unique, near on insurmountable difficulties associated with developing a strong cultural identity to rival european ones you have become accustomed to and understandably notice the absense of here.

At the same time, I am not meaning to disparage my culture to appease those disillusioned with the life here. It is what it is for the reasons above and won't be changing in a hurry.
Ah, there you are you Aussie person you.

Great post. Brilliant in fact.
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Originally Posted by Westralia
The problem is we also have this little problem that has infected the rest of western europe, canada and japan called socialism. I believe in a safety net but at present, people here are being encouraged not to work through ridiculously excessive levels of welfare designed to keep public servants employed administering these programs and to secure the votes of welfare recipients.

Surely you can see the parallels between the UK and Australia in this regard?
Absolutely, people in the uk are left on social security when they could be out working and contributing to the nation. I believe that if you are claiming any benefits you should be made to work for them, i.e clearing off graffiti, helping out with rubbish clearence. it would certainly sepperate the lazy from the people who really can't find work. and it would also give those claiming benefits some pride in the fact that they are doing something for their money and not just sitting waiting for Giro day.
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Originally Posted by Westralia
Every western country has sub-replacement birth rates. How the aged welfare problem will be dealt with here by increasing the population to a level that is neither economically, socially or environmentally tenable long term is an utter mystery to me. Maybe the powers to be are of the view that if the aged are to have a shittier existence in the future, so can everyone else.

I don't understand what you are getting at with your reference to too many scroungers and not enough taxpayers. Our mineral resources, which are unbelievably vast, is sufficient to support the current population at the current standard of living (In the top 5 in the world as much as the antis here would probably deny) well into the future. The problem is we also have this little problem that has infected the rest of western europe, canada and japan called socialism. I believe in a safety net but at present, people here are being encouraged not to work through ridiculously excessive levels of welfare designed to keep public servants employed administering these programs and to secure the votes of welfare recipients.

Surely you can see the parallels between the UK and Australia in this regard?
The Aussie systems and social policies appear to be based on the British Model, as is the tax system? It is correct to have a social policy. But I notice the "scroungers" here more so than I did in the UK for some reason. Could be due to the smaller population - less opportunity not to notice them.
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Originally Posted by Rosie Cheeks
The Aussie systems and social policies appear to be based on the British Model, as is the tax system? It is correct to have a social policy. But I notice the "scroungers" here more so than I did in the UK for some reason. Could be due to the smaller population - less opportunity not to notice them.
It's so funny peoples different experiences. we noticd hardley any scroungers in oz. we actually came away thinking that the oz system was far tougher than that of the uk. Just show's what different experiences can highlight
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Originally Posted by louise4
It's so funny peoples different experiences. we noticd hardley any scroungers in oz. we actually came away thinking that the oz system was far tougher than that of the uk. Just show's what different experiences can highlight
True true very true
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You could always use the US system whereby people are thrown onto the social scrap heap and left to rot on a whim.
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Originally Posted by Old William
You could always use the US system whereby people are thrown onto the social scrap heap and left to rot on a whim.
Is the situation particularly bad over there then? I think maybe that the more wealthy countries are actually victims of their own success. Why these people are allowed to stay on benefits when it does neither them or their community any good what so ever is beyond me.

There are people out there who so need the governments help and could have a lot more of it if the the other lot got off their backsides and were made to work for their living.
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Originally Posted by Exile
This article came up in a thread on the Aussie forum. I thought it might interest people thinking about returning from Australia, as it gives a perspective we don't hear too often.

(Thanks to Iamthecreaturefromuranus for original post)


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...340890279.html
This is an interesting article, but it's quite misleading because the guy they focused on is obviously a huge earner and in a business where living in US/UK is a clear advantage. For most people on ordinary salaries stuck in the dark and rainy commute every morning, the UK is less attractive. Also, your judgment about the UK would be different if, like this guy, you have an Australian passport: he knows he can leave whenever he wants, and even refers to retiring in Australia.

And another thing I found interesting about this article is when they wrote that "Almost 1 million Australians now live overseas and those abandoning their homeland are some of the brightest stars born under the Southern Cross". This is funny, because we are constantly told in the UK that our brightest are going to Australia. Where are all these geniuses really going then? US maybe?

An interesting article, but ultimately one focused on a very specific type of high-profile career. Also, these people have the ability to return to Australia any time no questions asked and this distorts their perception of Britain. I wouldn't add this to my Reasons-To-Leave-Australia List.
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Originally Posted by Old William
You could always use the US system whereby people are thrown onto the social scrap heap and left to rot on a whim.
Why would you want to do that?
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Originally Posted by Westralia
Every western country has sub-replacement birth rates. How the aged welfare problem will be dealt with here by increasing the population to a level that is neither economically, socially or environmentally tenable long term is an utter mystery to me. Maybe the powers to be are of the view that if the aged are to have a shittier existence in the future, so can everyone else.

I don't understand what you are getting at with your reference to too many scroungers and not enough taxpayers. Our mineral resources, which are unbelievably vast, is sufficient to support the current population at the current standard of living (In the top 5 in the world as much as the antis here would probably deny) well into the future. The problem is we also have this little problem that has infected the rest of western europe, canada and japan called socialism. I believe in a safety net but at present, people here are being encouraged not to work through ridiculously excessive levels of welfare designed to keep public servants employed administering these programs and to secure the votes of welfare recipients.

Surely you can see the parallels between the UK and Australia in this regard?
What I am getting at is that the current working population in Australia is relatively small, and the revenue generated from taxpayers is insufficient to support the country and provide an infrastructure for the future. Australia currently has one of the lowest levels of 'aged' employment (i.e. >55s) in the western world. A huge percentage of people are retiring in their mid-50s and this trend cannot continue unless the younger workface is increased. The retirement age for women has already been increased to 62, and is set to reach 65 by 2012, and there is talk of increasing the male retirement age to 67. Add to this the increasing cost of the social welfare system and the fact that in years to come the dwindling birth rate will mean a smaller home-grown workforce, then yes, Australia does need more people.

As for resources, I will use Melbourne's growth targets as an example. Population there is set to top 5 million by 2025. The city is already struggling to provide enough water for 3.5m so how do they plan to provide for 5m? There are no specific measures in place - with the exception perhaps of some water recycling strategies which so far are way off target anyway.

I do see lots of parallels between the UK and Australia. I wasn't trying to say that the UK system is a perfectly working model (in fact, I didn't mention the UK at all!).
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