Timothy Kroesen

Perhaps they should just blow up the ones who aren't dolls...<g>

Tim K

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On 27 Jul 2005 03:22:57 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >Alan S wrote:
    > >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
    > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
    > >> >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic
status?
    > >> >
    > >> >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants...
it
    > >> >would be a nightmare.
    > >>
    > >> Not if you're Turkish.
    > >>
    > >> Cheers, Alan, Australia
    > >
    > >or if you like kebabs
    > Get their before the Belgian bomb disposal people blow them up.
    > At the moment they are busy blowing up Dutch sex dolls.
    > --
    > Martin

Martin

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:27:37 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:


    >"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On 27 Jul 2005 03:22:57 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Alan S wrote:
    >> >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
    >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
    >> >> >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic
    >status?
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants...
    >it
    >> >> >would be a nightmare.
    >> >>
    >> >> Not if you're Turkish.
    >> >>
    >> >> Cheers, Alan, Australia
    >> >
    >> >or if you like kebabs
    >> Get their before the Belgian bomb disposal people blow them up.
    >> At the moment they are busy blowing up Dutch sex dolls.

    >Perhaps they should just blow up the ones who aren't dolls...<g>

or stop blowing up their noses.
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Timothy Kroesen

Merkans? Please explain your OT slur when this thread is about slurring
Turkey...

Tim K

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On 27 Jul 2005 05:36:06 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >The Reids wrote:
    > >> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
    > >> prestwich tesco
    > >>
    > >> >The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
    > >> >country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I
don't
    > >> >know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those
countries,
    > >> >there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of
labour-
    > >> >lots of highly skilled workers
    > >>
    > >> depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
    > >> gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
    > >> to do your job for less. Or competing for housing or health
    > >> resources
    > At least Poles don't piss in your water tank when they are doing
    > plumbing repairs. Well maybe they do, but they haven't been caught on
    > camera doing it, yet.
    > >as long as they pay tax/ni whats the difference ?
    > About GBP500 for simple plumbing job? Mercans will miss the tangy je
    > ne sais quoi taste.:-)
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    > Martin

Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:33:24 +0100, The Reids
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
    > >prestwich tesco
    > >
    > >>The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
    > >>country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
    > >>know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
    > >>there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
    > >>lots of highly skilled workers
    > >
    > >depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
    > >gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
    > >to do your job for less. Or competing for housing or health
    > >resources
    >
    > To a large extent UK health resources are immigrants.

Oh, indeed, especially in London.

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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

none <[email protected]> wrote:

    > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
    > wrote:
    > > AABNE <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
    > > > countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
    > >
    > > Actually, your trolling aside, the new accession countries to the EU
    > > haven't been given full labour yet. The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
    > > country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
    > > know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
    > > there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
    > > lots of highly skilled workers. We could do with a few more dentists
    > > though!
[]
    > its undercutted the wages throwing brits out of work .
    > Poles and etc now do the work for a lot less, whilst brits languish on
    > the dole

That's just rubbish.

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DDT Filled Mormons

On 27 Jul 2005 08:41:16 -0700, "Jordi" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >DDT Filled Mormons ha escrito:
    >> >
    >> >I think that I need to lie down.
    >> I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
    >> Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.
    >> --
    >I don't think the explanation to this has anything to do with
    >economics....

No, neither do I. It's an anti-Muslim thing.
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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

Juliana L Holm <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Who is it that still doesn't? I've seen and in some cases eaten dˆner
    > > kebaps in Oslo, Bergen, Berlin, Genoa, Madrid and ubiquitously in
    > > Britain. (A new kebab shop has just opened next door but one to me.)
    >
    > As a vegetarian, I want to know how many also server Falafel.

In the UK at least, a lot of the kebab shops have vegetarian options.

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Martin

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:14:41 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:33:24 +0100, The Reids
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
    >> >prestwich tesco
    >> >
    >> >>The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
    >> >>country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
    >> >>know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
    >> >>there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
    >> >>lots of highly skilled workers
    >> >
    >> >depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
    >> >gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
    >> >to do your job for less. Or competing for housing or health
    >> >resources
    >>
    >> To a large extent UK health resources are immigrants.
    >Oh, indeed, especially in London.

In Germany the nurses are nearly all German speaking Poles.
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Padraig Breathnach

Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> writes:
    >> We get a lot of people with good levels of formal qualification, but
    >> many of them take a low-grade job because that is what is available.
    >> Two years in a meat factory or serving meals at Irish rates of pay and
    >> they can go home with the price of a house.
    >Unless all of "us" buying up property over there has created a bubble,
    >of course. (Which is the counter-worry to the "floods of immigrants"
    >meme.)
Good point. The Irish, in particular, are big into buying overseas
property. Budapest is a current favourite.

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Keith Anderson

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:31:26 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >On 27 Jul 2005 08:41:16 -0700, "Jordi" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>DDT Filled Mormons ha escrito:
    >>> >
    >>> >I think that I need to lie down.
    >>> I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
    >>> Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.
    >>> --
    >>I don't think the explanation to this has anything to do with
    >>economics....
    >No, neither do I. It's an anti-Muslim thing.

's all them Czech and Polish mullahs comin' into the country an'
changin' our way of life, innit?




Keith, Bristol, UK

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Padraig Breathnach

[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
o' th' barn and prestwich tesco) wrote:

    >none <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
    >> wrote:
    >> > AABNE <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > > Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
    >> > > countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
    >> >
    >> > Actually, your trolling aside, the new accession countries to the EU
    >> > haven't been given full labour yet. The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
    >> > country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
    >> > know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
    >> > there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
    >> > lots of highly skilled workers. We could do with a few more dentists
    >> > though!
    >[]
    >> its undercutted the wages throwing brits out of work .
    >> Poles and etc now do the work for a lot less, whilst brits languish on
    >> the dole
    >That's just rubbish.

Not just rubbish: unjust rubbish. "They're over here, stealing our
jobs", is the refrain of the unemployable.

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Martin

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:48:07 +0100, Keith Anderson
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:31:26 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
    ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >>On 27 Jul 2005 08:41:16 -0700, "Jordi" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>DDT Filled Mormons ha escrito:
    >>>> >
    >>>> >I think that I need to lie down.
    >>>> I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
    >>>> Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.
    >>>> --
    >>>I don't think the explanation to this has anything to do with
    >>>economics....
    >>No, neither do I. It's an anti-Muslim thing.
    >'s all them Czech and Polish mullahs comin' into the country an'
    >changin' our way of life, innit?

Seeking revenge for pushing the bouncing Czech off his boat?
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Wolfgang Schwanke

Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    >>[]
    >>> its undercutted the wages throwing brits out of work .
    >>> Poles and etc now do the work for a lot less, whilst brits languish
    >>> on the dole
    >>That's just rubbish.
    >
    > Not just rubbish: unjust rubbish. "They're over here, stealing our
    > jobs", is the refrain of the unemployable.

Well that's a bit arrogant. The term "unemployable" puts the blame on
those who can't find a job when it's actually a defect of our economic
system.

It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
living. It's also a fact that they try to create conditions where they
can do that, free movement of labour from low wage countries being one
such condition.

It's not the fault of the Poles or whoever applies at a lower salary
than the locals, but the process is real. Maybe you're not personally
affected by it, and AFAIK conditions on the job market are currently
not very harsh in the UK and Ireland, but some people are.

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Padraig Breathnach

Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote in
    >news:[email protected] :
    >>>[]
    >>>> its undercutted the wages throwing brits out of work .
    >>>> Poles and etc now do the work for a lot less, whilst brits languish
    >>>> on the dole
    >>>That's just rubbish.
    >>
    >> Not just rubbish: unjust rubbish. "They're over here, stealing our
    >> jobs", is the refrain of the unemployable.
    >Well that's a bit arrogant. The term "unemployable" puts the blame on
    >those who can't find a job when it's actually a defect of our economic
    >system.
In any society, there are some people who are incapable, by just about
any reasonable criteria, of meeting the requirements of employment.
There are alcoholics, habitually dishonest people, socially maladapted
individuals, grossly incompetent people, people whose family
circumstances inhibit them from performing in a job. I know such
people, and I expect that you also do. They are part of the reason why
"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
work.

I don't blame people who can't find a job when jobs are scarce. But I
live in a country where jobs are not scarce, where there are real
labour shortages. And yet there are people who can not get jobs
because no employer in his right mind would take them on. This
employer reluctance is frequently matched by applicant reluctance:
some of these people would be shocked to the core to be offered a job
and be expected to work.

I don't very much blame those people I describe as unemployable. It's
often not their fault that they have whatever attributes they have
which make them unsuited to the demands of employment.

But in the circumstance that prevail in Ireland, I see and hear people
making the "stealing our jobs" claim when there are plenty of
vacancies.

    >It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
    >they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
    >living.
Agreed.

    >It's also a fact that they try to create conditions where they
    >can do that, free movement of labour from low wage countries being one
    >such condition.
Agreed.

    >It's not the fault of the Poles or whoever applies at a lower salary
    >than the locals, but the process is real. Maybe you're not personally
    >affected by it, and AFAIK conditions on the job market are currently
    >not very harsh in the UK and Ireland, but some people are.
Agreed.

So, Wolfgang, we are not far apart in our analysis of what drives
economic decisions.

I am in favour of the state assisting those who have difficulty in
supporting themselves for whatever reason.

I support minimum wage legislation, even though it motivates some
capitalists to relocate to low-wage economies (let's not make it too
easy for the money-grubbing bastards).

But I live in a place where just about everybody in long-term
unemployment is in that position because he or she is simply not
suited for employment. I recognise that the situation is different
elsewhere, including Germany.

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Citizen Ted

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:28:17 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:


    >I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
    >Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.

Well, at least Romania and Bulgaria are bloody well European, just
like Belarus and Bosnia. But Turkey? Turkey is hardly Europe. And it's
more than religion or skin color (Greek islanders are as dark as
Turks, and almost as hairy) . No, it ain't that. It's goddamn
cultural.

If Turks can be Europeans, then god dammit, I wanna be Canadian! Bring
me some OTC codeine and fresh maple syrup, bitches! Fit me with a
bright red serge and Strathcona boots! I'm a Canadian now!

- TR
- watching EU politics carefully.