Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Jul 27th 2005, 7:51 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>living.
>Agreed.
so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me. The
"stealing our jobs" quote is a bit emotive, but I think its a bit
complacent to pretend that all those eastern European trucks that
are suddenly on the north circular are not affecting the job
prospects of UK truck drivers and workers who are clearly
perfectly employable, unless of course the amount of work
available has suddenly shot up. Perhaps it has?
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>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>living.
>Agreed.
so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me. The
"stealing our jobs" quote is a bit emotive, but I think its a bit
complacent to pretend that all those eastern European trucks that
are suddenly on the north circular are not affecting the job
prospects of UK truck drivers and workers who are clearly
perfectly employable, unless of course the amount of work
available has suddenly shot up. Perhaps it has?
--
Mike Reid
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Jul 27th 2005, 7:56 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:42:20 -0700, Citizen Ted
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:28:17 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
>>Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.
>Well, at least Romania and Bulgaria are bloody well European, just
>like Belarus and Bosnia. But Turkey? Turkey is hardly Europe. And it's
>more than religion or skin color (Greek islanders are as dark as
>Turks, and almost as hairy) . No, it ain't that. It's goddamn
>cultural.
Cultural? Just what cultural similarities do Estonia and Malta share?
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:28:17 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
>>Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.
>Well, at least Romania and Bulgaria are bloody well European, just
>like Belarus and Bosnia. But Turkey? Turkey is hardly Europe. And it's
>more than religion or skin color (Greek islanders are as dark as
>Turks, and almost as hairy) . No, it ain't that. It's goddamn
>cultural.
Cultural? Just what cultural similarities do Estonia and Malta share?
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Jul 27th 2005, 7:56 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
The Reids wrote:
> Following up to Padraig Breathnach
> >>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
> >>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
> >>living.
> >>
> >Agreed.
> so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
> wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me. The
> "stealing our jobs" quote is a bit emotive, but I think its a bit
> complacent to pretend that all those eastern European trucks that
> are suddenly on the north circular are not affecting the job
> prospects of UK truck drivers and workers who are clearly
> perfectly employable, unless of course the amount of work
> available has suddenly shot up. Perhaps it has?
> --
> Mike Reid
if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
attention at school.
> Following up to Padraig Breathnach
> >>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
> >>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
> >>living.
> >>
> >Agreed.
> so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
> wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me. The
> "stealing our jobs" quote is a bit emotive, but I think its a bit
> complacent to pretend that all those eastern European trucks that
> are suddenly on the north circular are not affecting the job
> prospects of UK truck drivers and workers who are clearly
> perfectly employable, unless of course the amount of work
> available has suddenly shot up. Perhaps it has?
> --
> Mike Reid
if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
attention at school.
Jul 27th 2005, 7:57 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
DDT Filled Mormons wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:42:20 -0700, Citizen Ted
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:28:17 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
> >>Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.
> >
> >Well, at least Romania and Bulgaria are bloody well European, just
> >like Belarus and Bosnia. But Turkey? Turkey is hardly Europe. And it's
> >more than religion or skin color (Greek islanders are as dark as
> >Turks, and almost as hairy) . No, it ain't that. It's goddamn
> >cultural.
> Cultural? Just what cultural similarities do Estonia and Malta share?
> --
> ---
> DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
> ---
> --
they are the same shape (the people, I mean)
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:42:20 -0700, Citizen Ted
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:28:17 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
> >>Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.
> >
> >Well, at least Romania and Bulgaria are bloody well European, just
> >like Belarus and Bosnia. But Turkey? Turkey is hardly Europe. And it's
> >more than religion or skin color (Greek islanders are as dark as
> >Turks, and almost as hairy) . No, it ain't that. It's goddamn
> >cultural.
> Cultural? Just what cultural similarities do Estonia and Malta share?
> --
> ---
> DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
> ---
> --
they are the same shape (the people, I mean)
Jul 27th 2005, 8:27 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:14:12 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected] m:
>>>>[]
>>>>> its undercutted the wages throwing brits out of work .
>>>>> Poles and etc now do the work for a lot less, whilst brits languish
>>>>> on the dole
>>>>That's just rubbish.
>>>
>>> Not just rubbish: unjust rubbish. "They're over here, stealing our
>>> jobs", is the refrain of the unemployable.
>>Well that's a bit arrogant. The term "unemployable" puts the blame on
>>those who can't find a job when it's actually a defect of our economic
>>system.
>In any society, there are some people who are incapable, by just about
>any reasonable criteria, of meeting the requirements of employment.
>There are alcoholics, habitually dishonest people, socially maladapted
>individuals, grossly incompetent people, people whose family
>circumstances inhibit them from performing in a job. I know such
>people, and I expect that you also do.
There are also many, who have lost their jobs through no fault of
their own.
>They are part of the reason why
>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>work.
In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
die.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected] m:
>>>>[]
>>>>> its undercutted the wages throwing brits out of work .
>>>>> Poles and etc now do the work for a lot less, whilst brits languish
>>>>> on the dole
>>>>That's just rubbish.
>>>
>>> Not just rubbish: unjust rubbish. "They're over here, stealing our
>>> jobs", is the refrain of the unemployable.
>>Well that's a bit arrogant. The term "unemployable" puts the blame on
>>those who can't find a job when it's actually a defect of our economic
>>system.
>In any society, there are some people who are incapable, by just about
>any reasonable criteria, of meeting the requirements of employment.
>There are alcoholics, habitually dishonest people, socially maladapted
>individuals, grossly incompetent people, people whose family
>circumstances inhibit them from performing in a job. I know such
>people, and I expect that you also do.
There are also many, who have lost their jobs through no fault of
their own.
>They are part of the reason why
>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>work.
In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
die.
--
Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 8:33 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:51:19 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>living.
>>Agreed.
>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me. The
>"stealing our jobs" quote is a bit emotive, but I think its a bit
>complacent to pretend that all those eastern European trucks that
>are suddenly on the north circular are not affecting the job
>prospects of UK truck drivers and workers who are clearly
>perfectly employable, unless of course the amount of work
>available has suddenly shot up. Perhaps it has?
40% of trucks in UK are carrying food to supermarkets. Trucking
companies register trucks in east European countries because they pay
less tax that way. I see all sorts of exotic number plates on what are
clearly Dutch owned trucks parked in area around the local flower
auction, which is the biggest in the world.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>living.
>>Agreed.
>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me. The
>"stealing our jobs" quote is a bit emotive, but I think its a bit
>complacent to pretend that all those eastern European trucks that
>are suddenly on the north circular are not affecting the job
>prospects of UK truck drivers and workers who are clearly
>perfectly employable, unless of course the amount of work
>available has suddenly shot up. Perhaps it has?
40% of trucks in UK are carrying food to supermarkets. Trucking
companies register trucks in east European countries because they pay
less tax that way. I see all sorts of exotic number plates on what are
clearly Dutch owned trucks parked in area around the local flower
auction, which is the biggest in the world.
--
Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 8:45 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On 28 Jul 2005 00:57:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>DDT Filled Mormons wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:42:20 -0700, Citizen Ted
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:28:17 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
>> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
>> >>Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.
>> >
>> >Well, at least Romania and Bulgaria are bloody well European, just
>> >like Belarus and Bosnia. But Turkey? Turkey is hardly Europe. And it's
>> >more than religion or skin color (Greek islanders are as dark as
>> >Turks, and almost as hairy) . No, it ain't that. It's goddamn
>> >cultural.
>> Cultural? Just what cultural similarities do Estonia and Malta share?
>> --
>> ---
>> DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
>> ---
>> --
>they are the same shape (the people, I mean)
So are the Turks and the Greeks.
--
Martin
>DDT Filled Mormons wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:42:20 -0700, Citizen Ted
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:28:17 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
>> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>I can't believe they would prefer Romania and Bulgaria admitted BEFORE
>> >>Turkey! I know which place I would rather invest in.
>> >
>> >Well, at least Romania and Bulgaria are bloody well European, just
>> >like Belarus and Bosnia. But Turkey? Turkey is hardly Europe. And it's
>> >more than religion or skin color (Greek islanders are as dark as
>> >Turks, and almost as hairy) . No, it ain't that. It's goddamn
>> >cultural.
>> Cultural? Just what cultural similarities do Estonia and Malta share?
>> --
>> ---
>> DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
>> ---
>> --
>they are the same shape (the people, I mean)
So are the Turks and the Greeks.
--
Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 8:55 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Following up to Martin
>>They are part of the reason why
>>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>>work.
>In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
>them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
>from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
>die.
or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
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>>They are part of the reason why
>>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>>work.
>In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
>them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
>from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
>die.
or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
--
Mike Reid
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Jul 27th 2005, 8:58 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Following up to Martin
>40% of trucks in UK are carrying food to supermarkets. Trucking
>companies register trucks in east European countries because they pay
>less tax that way. I see all sorts of exotic number plates on what are
>clearly Dutch owned trucks parked in area around the local flower
>auction, which is the biggest in the world.
Here, I'm seeing large numbers of trucks with eastern European
plates and eastern European signwriting, a lot are certainly
clothes. I have seen few that look as if they are UK trucks
registered abroad, some could be UK trailers with east European
tractors.
Also lots of east euro cars, a surprising number boy racer style
(wings, big exhaust etc).
--
Mike Reid
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>40% of trucks in UK are carrying food to supermarkets. Trucking
>companies register trucks in east European countries because they pay
>less tax that way. I see all sorts of exotic number plates on what are
>clearly Dutch owned trucks parked in area around the local flower
>auction, which is the biggest in the world.
Here, I'm seeing large numbers of trucks with eastern European
plates and eastern European signwriting, a lot are certainly
clothes. I have seen few that look as if they are UK trucks
registered abroad, some could be UK trailers with east European
tractors.
Also lots of east euro cars, a surprising number boy racer style
(wings, big exhaust etc).
--
Mike Reid
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Jul 27th 2005, 9:07 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On 28 Jul 2005 00:56:54 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>attention at school.
Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
school.
--
Martin
>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>attention at school.
Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
school.
--
Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 9:15 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:55:12 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>They are part of the reason why
>>>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>>>work.
>>In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
>>them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
>>from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
>>die.
>or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
The local industry has died because the owners moved production to
third world countries. Sales by these companies have fallen because
they have destroyed their home market.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>They are part of the reason why
>>>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>>>work.
>>In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
>>them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
>>from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
>>die.
>or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
The local industry has died because the owners moved production to
third world countries. Sales by these companies have fallen because
they have destroyed their home market.
--
Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 9:18 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:58:54 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>40% of trucks in UK are carrying food to supermarkets. Trucking
>>companies register trucks in east European countries because they pay
>>less tax that way. I see all sorts of exotic number plates on what are
>>clearly Dutch owned trucks parked in area around the local flower
>>auction, which is the biggest in the world.
>Here, I'm seeing large numbers of trucks with eastern European
>plates and eastern European signwriting, a lot are certainly
>clothes. I have seen few that look as if they are UK trucks
>registered abroad, some could be UK trailers with east European
>tractors.
but I am sure some are Dutch trucks registered abroad with east
European sign writing. The Dutch operate most of the European trucks.
>Also lots of east euro cars, a surprising number boy racer style
>(wings, big exhaust etc).
Amphetamine salesmen?
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>40% of trucks in UK are carrying food to supermarkets. Trucking
>>companies register trucks in east European countries because they pay
>>less tax that way. I see all sorts of exotic number plates on what are
>>clearly Dutch owned trucks parked in area around the local flower
>>auction, which is the biggest in the world.
>Here, I'm seeing large numbers of trucks with eastern European
>plates and eastern European signwriting, a lot are certainly
>clothes. I have seen few that look as if they are UK trucks
>registered abroad, some could be UK trailers with east European
>tractors.
but I am sure some are Dutch trucks registered abroad with east
European sign writing. The Dutch operate most of the European trucks.
>Also lots of east euro cars, a surprising number boy racer style
>(wings, big exhaust etc).
Amphetamine salesmen?
--
Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 9:22 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Following up to Martin
>>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>>attention at school.
>Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
>school.
and the Tory blair idea we all go to uni and become media types
could be seen through by a schoolboy, but not Mr Newport, or
perhaps he is a schoolboy?
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>>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>>attention at school.
>Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
>school.
and the Tory blair idea we all go to uni and become media types
could be seen through by a schoolboy, but not Mr Newport, or
perhaps he is a schoolboy?
--
Mike Reid
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Jul 27th 2005, 9:27 pm
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Following up to Martin
>>or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
>The local industry has died because the owners moved production to
>third world countries.
that's what I'm saying.
>Sales by these companies have fallen because
>they have destroyed their home market.
Yep, I don't see how you can allow all the countries capital to
go abroad and remain rich.f
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>>or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
>The local industry has died because the owners moved production to
>third world countries.
that's what I'm saying.
>Sales by these companies have fallen because
>they have destroyed their home market.
Yep, I don't see how you can allow all the countries capital to
go abroad and remain rich.f
--
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Jul 27th 2005, 9:29 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:27:24 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
>>The local industry has died because the owners moved production to
>>third world countries.
>that's what I'm saying.
>>Sales by these companies have fallen because
>>they have destroyed their home market.
>Yep, I don't see how you can allow all the countries capital to
>go abroad and remain rich.f
Except by large scale borrowing as in UK.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>>or rather than die, move to low wage, low benefit countries.
>>The local industry has died because the owners moved production to
>>third world countries.
>that's what I'm saying.
>>Sales by these companies have fallen because
>>they have destroyed their home market.
>Yep, I don't see how you can allow all the countries capital to
>go abroad and remain rich.f
Except by large scale borrowing as in UK.
--
Martin
