Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Jul 27th 2005, 9:46 pm
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The Reids wrote:
> Following up to Martin
> >>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> >>attention at school.
> >
> >Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
> >school.
> and the Tory blair idea we all go to uni and become media types
> could be seen through by a schoolboy, but not Mr Newport, or
> perhaps he is a schoolboy?
> --
> Mike Reid
there is a difference between school and Uni., those with an education
would know that :)
Mike 'ex-schoolboy' Newport
> Following up to Martin
> >>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> >>attention at school.
> >
> >Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
> >school.
> and the Tory blair idea we all go to uni and become media types
> could be seen through by a schoolboy, but not Mr Newport, or
> perhaps he is a schoolboy?
> --
> Mike Reid
there is a difference between school and Uni., those with an education
would know that :)
Mike 'ex-schoolboy' Newport
Jul 27th 2005, 9:47 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>living.
>>Agreed.
>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
I think so. Untrammelled capitalism has a way of making good things
bad.
>The "stealing our jobs" quote is a bit emotive,
Agreed. It's generally used by the sort of people who say "I am not a
racist, but..."
>but I think its a bit
>complacent to pretend that all those eastern European trucks that
>are suddenly on the north circular are not affecting the job
>prospects of UK truck drivers and workers who are clearly
>perfectly employable, unless of course the amount of work
>available has suddenly shot up. Perhaps it has?
Truck drivers from eastern (or even central) Europe are paid far less
than those in the west. Much more important, they are not subject to
the same regulations, and so drive for more hours.
Big business has done a great job of cosying up to those who wield
power, and the EU at institutional level is being nudged away from a
social orientation to a nineteenth-century liberal capitalism one.
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>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>It's a fact that capitalists take advantage of wage differences when
>>>they can, to the disadvantage of those who sell their work to make a
>>>living.
>>Agreed.
>so there is truth in the idea that enlargement may force down
>wages, same as globalisation, it seems obvious to me.
I think so. Untrammelled capitalism has a way of making good things
bad.
>The "stealing our jobs" quote is a bit emotive,
Agreed. It's generally used by the sort of people who say "I am not a
racist, but..."
>but I think its a bit
>complacent to pretend that all those eastern European trucks that
>are suddenly on the north circular are not affecting the job
>prospects of UK truck drivers and workers who are clearly
>perfectly employable, unless of course the amount of work
>available has suddenly shot up. Perhaps it has?
Truck drivers from eastern (or even central) Europe are paid far less
than those in the west. Much more important, they are not subject to
the same regulations, and so drive for more hours.
Big business has done a great job of cosying up to those who wield
power, and the EU at institutional level is being nudged away from a
social orientation to a nineteenth-century liberal capitalism one.
--
PB
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Jul 27th 2005, 9:47 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:14:12 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>In any society, there are some people who are incapable, by just about
>>any reasonable criteria, of meeting the requirements of employment.
>>There are alcoholics, habitually dishonest people, socially maladapted
>>individuals, grossly incompetent people, people whose family
>>circumstances inhibit them from performing in a job. I know such
>>people, and I expect that you also do.
>There are also many, who have lost their jobs through no fault of
>their own.
I know that. I don't blame them; I sympathise with them. I sympathise
with most of those I consider unemployable. My "stealing our jobs"
remark was aimed at a certain subset in society who are xenophobic.
>>They are part of the reason why
>>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>>work.
>In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
>them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
>from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
>die.
So what is to be done?
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>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:14:12 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>In any society, there are some people who are incapable, by just about
>>any reasonable criteria, of meeting the requirements of employment.
>>There are alcoholics, habitually dishonest people, socially maladapted
>>individuals, grossly incompetent people, people whose family
>>circumstances inhibit them from performing in a job. I know such
>>people, and I expect that you also do.
>There are also many, who have lost their jobs through no fault of
>their own.
I know that. I don't blame them; I sympathise with them. I sympathise
with most of those I consider unemployable. My "stealing our jobs"
remark was aimed at a certain subset in society who are xenophobic.
>>They are part of the reason why
>>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>>work.
>In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
>them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
>from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
>die.
So what is to be done?
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Jul 27th 2005, 9:50 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:47:47 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:14:12 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>In any society, there are some people who are incapable, by just about
>>>any reasonable criteria, of meeting the requirements of employment.
>>>There are alcoholics, habitually dishonest people, socially maladapted
>>>individuals, grossly incompetent people, people whose family
>>>circumstances inhibit them from performing in a job. I know such
>>>people, and I expect that you also do.
>>There are also many, who have lost their jobs through no fault of
>>their own.
>I know that. I don't blame them; I sympathise with them. I sympathise
>with most of those I consider unemployable. My "stealing our jobs"
>remark was aimed at a certain subset in society who are xenophobic.
>>>They are part of the reason why
>>>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>>>work.
>>In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
>>them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
>>from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
>>die.
>So what is to be done?
One solution which appears to be unacceptable is to block cheap
imports from third world countries.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:14:12 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>In any society, there are some people who are incapable, by just about
>>>any reasonable criteria, of meeting the requirements of employment.
>>>There are alcoholics, habitually dishonest people, socially maladapted
>>>individuals, grossly incompetent people, people whose family
>>>circumstances inhibit them from performing in a job. I know such
>>>people, and I expect that you also do.
>>There are also many, who have lost their jobs through no fault of
>>their own.
>I know that. I don't blame them; I sympathise with them. I sympathise
>with most of those I consider unemployable. My "stealing our jobs"
>remark was aimed at a certain subset in society who are xenophobic.
>>>They are part of the reason why
>>>"full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
>>>work.
>>In Germany there are 5 million unemployed because there is no work for
>>them. Likewise in the Netherlands the employment situation has gone
>>from full employment to increasingly high unemployment as industries
>>die.
>So what is to be done?
One solution which appears to be unacceptable is to block cheap
imports from third world countries.
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Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 9:54 pm
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 28 Jul 2005 00:56:54 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>>attention at school.
>Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
>school.
Not in Ireland. Truck drivers here don't make big money. And it's a
tough life, bad for families. I constantly meet people who used to be
truck drivers, and gave it up. This week I had a plasterer in the
house, and his labourer had spent years driving before deciding that
mixing plaster was a better lifestyle deal for him.
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>On 28 Jul 2005 00:56:54 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>>attention at school.
>Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
>school.
Not in Ireland. Truck drivers here don't make big money. And it's a
tough life, bad for families. I constantly meet people who used to be
truck drivers, and gave it up. This week I had a plasterer in the
house, and his labourer had spent years driving before deciding that
mixing plaster was a better lifestyle deal for him.
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Jul 27th 2005, 9:58 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:54:06 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On 28 Jul 2005 00:56:54 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>>>attention at school.
>>Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
>>school.
>Not in Ireland. Truck drivers here don't make big money.
Young teachers make even less, but maybe not in Ireland.
>And it's a
>tough life, bad for families.
yes and the driver's health.
>I constantly meet people who used to be
>truck drivers, and gave it up. This week I had a plasterer in the
>house, and his labourer had spent years driving before deciding that
>mixing plaster was a better lifestyle deal for him.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On 28 Jul 2005 00:56:54 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>>if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>>>attention at school.
>>Truck driving pays better than teaching. Something they don't teach at
>>school.
>Not in Ireland. Truck drivers here don't make big money.
Young teachers make even less, but maybe not in Ireland.
>And it's a
>tough life, bad for families.
yes and the driver's health.
>I constantly meet people who used to be
>truck drivers, and gave it up. This week I had a plasterer in the
>house, and his labourer had spent years driving before deciding that
>mixing plaster was a better lifestyle deal for him.
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Jul 27th 2005, 10:25 pm
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Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>Well that's a bit arrogant. The term "unemployable" puts the blame on
>>those who can't find a job when it's actually a defect of our economic
>>system.
> In any society, there are some people who are incapable, by just about
> any reasonable criteria, of meeting the requirements of employment.
> There are alcoholics, habitually dishonest people, socially maladapted
> individuals, grossly incompetent people, people whose family
> circumstances inhibit them from performing in a job.
OK, I agree. But I say the portion of those people is minuscule. You
can measure it: It's those who remain unemployed at the top of
employment booms. The absolute employment boom we had in West Germany
was in the mid-1960s, unemployment rate then was 0.5ish percent.
Therefore I conclude, any figure higher than that has different causes.
I can't quite imagine that the percentage of such people has gone up.
> I know such
> people, and I expect that you also do.
Not really, but let me add one other thought: The standards of
employers are not cast in stone, they adapt to the situation too. A
person who might be regarded "unemployable" in times of high
unemployment, will be employed during boom phases. E.g. employers are
not prepared to hire alcoholics as long as they have non-alcoholic
applicants to choose from. But when the only applicant for a job is an
alcoholic because everyone else has a job already, they might be
prepared to hire him/her anyway.
IMHO we should strive to re-establish a situation where that is the
case. Current trends in politics are striving for the reverse
unfortunately.
> They are part of the reason why
> "full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
> work.
Too low for my taste. I can't accept 4% unemplyoment as "full
employment".
> Agreed.
> Agreed.
> Agreed.
>
> So, Wolfgang, we are not far apart in our analysis of what drives
> economic decisions.
OK I'm happy. :)
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>>Well that's a bit arrogant. The term "unemployable" puts the blame on
>>those who can't find a job when it's actually a defect of our economic
>>system.
> In any society, there are some people who are incapable, by just about
> any reasonable criteria, of meeting the requirements of employment.
> There are alcoholics, habitually dishonest people, socially maladapted
> individuals, grossly incompetent people, people whose family
> circumstances inhibit them from performing in a job.
OK, I agree. But I say the portion of those people is minuscule. You
can measure it: It's those who remain unemployed at the top of
employment booms. The absolute employment boom we had in West Germany
was in the mid-1960s, unemployment rate then was 0.5ish percent.
Therefore I conclude, any figure higher than that has different causes.
I can't quite imagine that the percentage of such people has gone up.
> I know such
> people, and I expect that you also do.
Not really, but let me add one other thought: The standards of
employers are not cast in stone, they adapt to the situation too. A
person who might be regarded "unemployable" in times of high
unemployment, will be employed during boom phases. E.g. employers are
not prepared to hire alcoholics as long as they have non-alcoholic
applicants to choose from. But when the only applicant for a job is an
alcoholic because everyone else has a job already, they might be
prepared to hire him/her anyway.
IMHO we should strive to re-establish a situation where that is the
case. Current trends in politics are striving for the reverse
unfortunately.
> They are part of the reason why
> "full employment" is often defined as 96% of the labour force being in
> work.
Too low for my taste. I can't accept 4% unemplyoment as "full
employment".
> Agreed.
> Agreed.
> Agreed.
>
> So, Wolfgang, we are not far apart in our analysis of what drives
> economic decisions.
OK I'm happy. :)
Regards
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Jul 27th 2005, 10:27 pm
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[email protected] wrote in
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> if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> attention at school.
The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
a right to make a living too?
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> if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> attention at school.
The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
a right to make a living too?
Regards
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Jul 27th 2005, 10:30 pm
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In article <[email protected]>, Wolfgang Schwanke
<[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:[email protected] ups.com:
>
> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> > attention at school.
>
> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
> academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
> a right to make a living too?
The "Right" ?
jay
Thu Jul 28, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
> Regards
<[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:[email protected] ups.com:
>
> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> > attention at school.
>
> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
> academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
> a right to make a living too?
The "Right" ?
jay
Thu Jul 28, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
> Regards
Jul 27th 2005, 10:31 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:27:59 +0200, Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in
>news:[email protected] oups.com:
>> if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>> attention at school.
>The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
>least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
>academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
>a right to make a living too?
I know a UK Physics teacher, who took a truck driving job the first
summer after he graduated as a stop gap and liked the job so much he
continued with it for some years. I know a successful high paid
engineer, who took truck driving lessons and got a license with the
idea of becoming a truck driver if ever he lost his job.
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wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in
>news:[email protected] oups.com:
>> if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>> attention at school.
>The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
>least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
>academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
>a right to make a living too?
I know a UK Physics teacher, who took a truck driving job the first
summer after he graduated as a stop gap and liked the job so much he
continued with it for some years. I know a successful high paid
engineer, who took truck driving lessons and got a license with the
idea of becoming a truck driver if ever he lost his job.
--
Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 10:31 pm
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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:[email protected] ups.com:
> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> > attention at school.
> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
> academic carreer.
because they didn't pay attention at school.
> Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
> a right to make a living too?
sure, and like everyone they are open to market forces.
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:[email protected] ups.com:
> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> > attention at school.
> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
> academic carreer.
because they didn't pay attention at school.
> Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
> a right to make a living too?
sure, and like everyone they are open to market forces.
Jul 27th 2005, 10:34 pm
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On 28 Jul 2005 03:31:56 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in
>> news:[email protected] ups.com:
>> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>> > attention at school.
>> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
>> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
>> academic carreer.
>because they didn't pay attention at school.
>> Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
>> a right to make a living too?
>sure, and like everyone they are open to market forces.
There are plenty of truck driving jobs for Americans in Iraq
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>Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in
>> news:[email protected] ups.com:
>> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>> > attention at school.
>> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
>> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
>> academic carreer.
>because they didn't pay attention at school.
>> Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
>> a right to make a living too?
>sure, and like everyone they are open to market forces.
There are plenty of truck driving jobs for Americans in Iraq
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Jul 27th 2005, 10:38 pm
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Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:[email protected] ups.com:
>
> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> > attention at school.
>
> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
> academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
> a right to make a living too?
Who says they don't? In the UK, a lot of the business models of the
industry are horribly ineffecient from an environmental point of view,
involving a lot of movement of goods when those same goods are available
'locally'. So, a lorry load of potatoes from the south west of the UK
may be driven up to Scotland, just because they may have negotiated
marginally cheaper rates, even once the transport costs are figured in.
Of course, this is all 'good old fashioned capitalism' at play, but it
still stinks.
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> [email protected] wrote in
> news:[email protected] ups.com:
>
> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
> > attention at school.
>
> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
> academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
> a right to make a living too?
Who says they don't? In the UK, a lot of the business models of the
industry are horribly ineffecient from an environmental point of view,
involving a lot of movement of goods when those same goods are available
'locally'. So, a lorry load of potatoes from the south west of the UK
may be driven up to Scotland, just because they may have negotiated
marginally cheaper rates, even once the transport costs are figured in.
Of course, this is all 'good old fashioned capitalism' at play, but it
still stinks.
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jul 27th 2005, 10:41 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:38:04 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
wrote:
>Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in
>> news:[email protected] ups.com:
>>
>> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>> > attention at school.
>>
>> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
>> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
>> academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
>> a right to make a living too?
>Who says they don't? In the UK, a lot of the business models of the
>industry are horribly ineffecient from an environmental point of view,
>involving a lot of movement of goods when those same goods are available
>'locally'. So, a lorry load of potatoes from the south west of the UK
>may be driven up to Scotland, just because they may have negotiated
>marginally cheaper rates, even once the transport costs are figured in.
>Of course, this is all 'good old fashioned capitalism' at play, but it
>still stinks.
Buy "Not on the Label" and read about the way UK supermarkets
distribute food and wonder how much longer this can go on.
--
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(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
wrote:
>Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in
>> news:[email protected] ups.com:
>>
>> > if you dont want to be a truck driver then you should have paid more
>> > attention at school.
>>
>> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
>> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
>> academic carreer. Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
>> a right to make a living too?
>Who says they don't? In the UK, a lot of the business models of the
>industry are horribly ineffecient from an environmental point of view,
>involving a lot of movement of goods when those same goods are available
>'locally'. So, a lorry load of potatoes from the south west of the UK
>may be driven up to Scotland, just because they may have negotiated
>marginally cheaper rates, even once the transport costs are figured in.
>Of course, this is all 'good old fashioned capitalism' at play, but it
>still stinks.
Buy "Not on the Label" and read about the way UK supermarkets
distribute food and wonder how much longer this can go on.
--
Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 10:44 pm
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[email protected] wrote in
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>> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
>> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
>> academic carreer.
>
> because they didn't pay attention at school.
Not necessarily, could also be they're just not gifted accordingly. You
can't have a society full of academics. There must be a place for
people who prefer to work with their hands.
>> Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
>> a right to make a living too?
>
> sure, and like everyone they are open to market forces.
The idea of the social movements is that "market forces" are cruel when
applied to humans, and therefore ought to be kept under control. Humans
have rights and needs, which are more important than economic
ideologies.
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>> The competition from low wage employees exists in nearly all jobs, at
>> least potentially. Besides not everyone is bright enough for an
>> academic carreer.
>
> because they didn't pay attention at school.
Not necessarily, could also be they're just not gifted accordingly. You
can't have a society full of academics. There must be a place for
people who prefer to work with their hands.
>> Don't people who're skilled to be lorry drivers have
>> a right to make a living too?
>
> sure, and like everyone they are open to market forces.
The idea of the social movements is that "market forces" are cruel when
applied to humans, and therefore ought to be kept under control. Humans
have rights and needs, which are more important than economic
ideologies.
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