Venice's plight
Jul 3rd 2007 | 11:41 am
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Re: Venice's plight
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:03:39 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
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>Anyone staying in Mestre deserves to pay for their cheapness!
I sure did, I'd never ever again stay at the Holiday Inn
there Marghera actually); but the prime consideration for me
was available carparking, not price.
The Hotel Sirio was OK in le Mestre first time around and I
actually enjoyed the bus-rides to and from the old town.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
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>Anyone staying in Mestre deserves to pay for their cheapness!
I sure did, I'd never ever again stay at the Holiday Inn
there Marghera actually); but the prime consideration for me
was available carparking, not price.
The Hotel Sirio was OK in le Mestre first time around and I
actually enjoyed the bus-rides to and from the old town.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
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Jul 3rd 2007 | 7:27 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>I went in November, food away from the main places was fine, but I
>>took one look at St Marks square and turned around, way too crowded,
>>even then.
>
>How crowded could it be? It's huge!
too crowded to want to be there.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>I went in November, food away from the main places was fine, but I
>>took one look at St Marks square and turned around, way too crowded,
>>even then.
>
>How crowded could it be? It's huge!
too crowded to want to be there.
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Jul 3rd 2007 | 7:28 pm
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Following up to Ken Blake <[email protected]> wrote:
>Huge as it is, it can get *very* crowded, especially at the San Marco
>end.
if I were to go again, id probably go early in the morning.
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>Huge as it is, it can get *very* crowded, especially at the San Marco
>end.
if I were to go again, id probably go early in the morning.
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Jul 3rd 2007 | 8:55 pm
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:25:34 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Make credence recognised that on Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:33:00 +0200, B
>Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:
>
>>I have a new idea: Venice should organize boat tours of the city
>>departing from Mestre. The tourists wouldn't even have to get out of
>>the boat and they could carry all their trash back to Mestre. It would
>>probably satisfy many of the Asian tour groups and even some of the
>>others.
>
>Anyone who didn't know what Asians were like might think your post
>smacks of racism! Of course if such a plan was implemented, they would
>all gladly pay the 20 euro just to be photoed(???) on the dry land.
Just so they take all the trash back to Mestre.
I don't think it's racist to say that Asians usually visit Europe on
organized tours. After all, Italians who tour outside of Italy (or
even in Italy) do the same thing.
Besides, you shouldn't be lecturing people about racism.
My husband and I sometimes go on tours (generally on the weekend) with
our local ski club, mainly because it's a really fun group. We made
the mistake recently of taking a tour with a different group. They
raced from place to place, and saw a lot of things just through the
windows of the bus.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Make credence recognised that on Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:33:00 +0200, B
>Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:
>
>>I have a new idea: Venice should organize boat tours of the city
>>departing from Mestre. The tourists wouldn't even have to get out of
>>the boat and they could carry all their trash back to Mestre. It would
>>probably satisfy many of the Asian tour groups and even some of the
>>others.
>
>Anyone who didn't know what Asians were like might think your post
>smacks of racism! Of course if such a plan was implemented, they would
>all gladly pay the 20 euro just to be photoed(???) on the dry land.
Just so they take all the trash back to Mestre.
I don't think it's racist to say that Asians usually visit Europe on
organized tours. After all, Italians who tour outside of Italy (or
even in Italy) do the same thing.
Besides, you shouldn't be lecturing people about racism.
My husband and I sometimes go on tours (generally on the weekend) with
our local ski club, mainly because it's a really fun group. We made
the mistake recently of taking a tour with a different group. They
raced from place to place, and saw a lot of things just through the
windows of the bus.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Jul 4th 2007 | 1:02 am
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The Reid wrote:
> Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>
>>>I went in November, food away from the main places was fine, but I
>>>took one look at St Marks square and turned around, way too crowded,
>>>even then.
>>
>>How crowded could it be? It's huge!
>
>
> too crowded to want to be there.
The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
T.
> Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>
>>>I went in November, food away from the main places was fine, but I
>>>took one look at St Marks square and turned around, way too crowded,
>>>even then.
>>
>>How crowded could it be? It's huge!
>
>
> too crowded to want to be there.
The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
T.
Jul 4th 2007 | 3:09 am
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:02:26 +0200, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
>music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
>the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
>the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
>stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
... and all the Italians gone home to the mainland.
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>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
>music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
>the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
>the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
>stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
... and all the Italians gone home to the mainland.
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Barbara Vaughan
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I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Jul 4th 2007 | 3:13 am
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:09:52 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:02:26 +0200, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
>>music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
>>the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
>>the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
>>stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
>
>... and all the Italians gone home to the mainland.
LOL they all love their homes in Mestre.
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>On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:02:26 +0200, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
>>music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
>>the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
>>the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
>>stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
>
>... and all the Italians gone home to the mainland.
LOL they all love their homes in Mestre.
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Jul 4th 2007 | 3:16 am
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On 4 Jul, 15:02, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Reid wrote:
> > Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
> > <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
> >>>I went in November, food away from the main places was fine, but I
> >>>took one look at St Marks square and turned around, way too crowded,
> >>>even then.
>
> >>How crowded could it be? It's huge!
>
> > too crowded to want to be there.
>
> The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
> music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
> the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
> the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
> stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
>
> T.
r u mad......thats when u get stabbed by ugly midgets.....
> The Reid wrote:
> > Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
> > <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
> >>>I went in November, food away from the main places was fine, but I
> >>>took one look at St Marks square and turned around, way too crowded,
> >>>even then.
>
> >>How crowded could it be? It's huge!
>
> > too crowded to want to be there.
>
> The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
> music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
> the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
> the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
> stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
>
> T.
r u mad......thats when u get stabbed by ugly midgets.....
Jul 4th 2007 | 3:56 am
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B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:02:26 +0200, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
>>music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
>>the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
>>the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
>>stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
>
>... and all the Italians gone home to the mainland.
And the Venetians have come back from their jobs on the mainland.
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>On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:02:26 +0200, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
>>music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
>>the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
>>the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
>>stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
>
>... and all the Italians gone home to the mainland.
And the Venetians have come back from their jobs on the mainland.
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PB
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Jul 4th 2007 | 6:05 am
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Make credence recognised that on Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:55:44 +0200, B
Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:
>On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:25:34 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>Anyone who didn't know what Asians were like might think your post
>>smacks of racism! Of course if such a plan was implemented, they would
>>all gladly pay the 20 euro just to be photoed(???) on the dry land.
>
>Just so they take all the trash back to Mestre.
>
>I don't think it's racist to say that Asians usually visit Europe on
>organized tours. After all, Italians who tour outside of Italy (or
>even in Italy) do the same thing.
>
>Besides, you shouldn't be lecturing people about racism.
I consider myself the least racist person I know, as I can find
exceptions to every rule - unlike true racists, who are really just
ignorant/stupid.
>My husband and I sometimes go on tours (generally on the weekend) with
>our local ski club, mainly because it's a really fun group. We made
>the mistake recently of taking a tour with a different group. They
>raced from place to place, and saw a lot of things just through the
>windows of the bus.
I've only done one tour in recent years which was a walking tour of
Berlin, and it was one of the best things I've ever done. I should do
more, I know...
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Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:
>On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:25:34 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>Anyone who didn't know what Asians were like might think your post
>>smacks of racism! Of course if such a plan was implemented, they would
>>all gladly pay the 20 euro just to be photoed(???) on the dry land.
>
>Just so they take all the trash back to Mestre.
>
>I don't think it's racist to say that Asians usually visit Europe on
>organized tours. After all, Italians who tour outside of Italy (or
>even in Italy) do the same thing.
>
>Besides, you shouldn't be lecturing people about racism.
I consider myself the least racist person I know, as I can find
exceptions to every rule - unlike true racists, who are really just
ignorant/stupid.
>My husband and I sometimes go on tours (generally on the weekend) with
>our local ski club, mainly because it's a really fun group. We made
>the mistake recently of taking a tour with a different group. They
>raced from place to place, and saw a lot of things just through the
>windows of the bus.
I've only done one tour in recent years which was a walking tour of
Berlin, and it was one of the best things I've ever done. I should do
more, I know...
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Jul 4th 2007 | 6:19 am
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Make credence recognised that on Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:02:26 +0200, Tom
Peel <[email protected]> has scripted:
>The Reid wrote:
>> Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I went in November, food away from the main places was fine, but I
>>>>took one look at St Marks square and turned around, way too crowded,
>>>>even then.
>>>
>>>How crowded could it be? It's huge!
>>
>>
>> too crowded to want to be there.
>
>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight.
<snip poetic stuff>
Venice, like Prague, Paris, Rome, and every other touristy city,
should be appreciated at dawn - if only you have the strength to do
it.
Note that I hate photos with people in them, so am prepared to do
this.
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Peel <[email protected]> has scripted:
>The Reid wrote:
>> Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I went in November, food away from the main places was fine, but I
>>>>took one look at St Marks square and turned around, way too crowded,
>>>>even then.
>>>
>>>How crowded could it be? It's huge!
>>
>>
>> too crowded to want to be there.
>
>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight.
<snip poetic stuff>
Venice, like Prague, Paris, Rome, and every other touristy city,
should be appreciated at dawn - if only you have the strength to do
it.
Note that I hate photos with people in them, so am prepared to do
this.
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Jul 4th 2007 | 6:23 am
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Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:
>Note that I hate photos with people in them...
>
Do you hate this picture?
http://www.deepfriedmars.com/Pics2/GorgeousVenus.JPG
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wrote:
>Note that I hate photos with people in them...
>
Do you hate this picture?
http://www.deepfriedmars.com/Pics2/GorgeousVenus.JPG
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Jul 4th 2007 | 7:00 am
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:56:53 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:02:26 +0200, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
>>>music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
>>>the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
>>>the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
>>>stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
>>
>>... and all the Italians gone home to the mainland.
>
>And the Venetians have come back from their jobs on the mainland.
Every year there are fewer and fewer who live in central Venice.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:02:26 +0200, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>The best time visit St Marks Square is at midnight. The last strains of
>>>music coming from the cafes, and the revellers straggling home. In fact,
>>>the whole city takes on a magical aspect after midnight, no one left on
>>>the streets, just the sound of your own shoes echoing on the cobbled
>>>stones, and cats vanishing into darkened alleys...
>>
>>... and all the Italians gone home to the mainland.
>
>And the Venetians have come back from their jobs on the mainland.
Every year there are fewer and fewer who live in central Venice.
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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Jul 4th 2007 | 7:47 am
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:23:06 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>>Note that I hate photos with people in them...
>>
>Do you hate this picture?
>http://www.deepfriedmars.com/Pics2/GorgeousVenus.JPG
Interesting pic....is it her or something/someone else who's been
chewing the office chair in the background?
Keith, Bristol, UK
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>>Note that I hate photos with people in them...
>>
>Do you hate this picture?
>http://www.deepfriedmars.com/Pics2/GorgeousVenus.JPG
Interesting pic....is it her or something/someone else who's been
chewing the office chair in the background?
Keith, Bristol, UK
Jul 4th 2007 | 8:53 am
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Make credence recognised that on Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:23:06 +0100,
Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> has scripted:
>Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>>Note that I hate photos with people in them...
>>
>Do you hate this picture?
>http://www.deepfriedmars.com/Pics2/GorgeousVenus.JPG
I can only see one person. No people.
What a dump that place was!
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Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> has scripted:
>Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
>wrote:
>
>>Note that I hate photos with people in them...
>>
>Do you hate this picture?
>http://www.deepfriedmars.com/Pics2/GorgeousVenus.JPG
I can only see one person. No people.
What a dump that place was!
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