The Reid

Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>>You're wriggling; you know I can find pictures with more than one
>>person for you to disavow. I just picked the one that I thought looked
>>nicest.
>
>Do a closer bit of analysis and you'll find in my photos I try to
>avoid people, or at least make them not the focus of the shot.

hubby and me in front of X makes for poor photos unless you are trophy
hunting. The province of the unsophisticated. People however make
contributions to a scene where appropriate. The Ramblas without
people? Also as lone figure can increase the sense of isolation, not
decrease it. A naked girl gives foreground interest to beach scenes.

A fat guy in shorts eating an ice cream in front of the Taj Mahal,
maybe not.
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Doesn't Frequently Mop

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:41:55 +0100, The
Reid <[email protected]> has scripted:

>Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>>You're wriggling; you know I can find pictures with more than one
>>>person for you to disavow. I just picked the one that I thought looked
>>>nicest.
>>
>>Do a closer bit of analysis and you'll find in my photos I try to
>>avoid people, or at least make them not the focus of the shot.
>
>hubby and me in front of X makes for poor photos unless you are trophy
>hunting. The province of the unsophisticated. People however make
>contributions to a scene where appropriate. The Ramblas without
>people? Also as lone figure can increase the sense of isolation, not
>decrease it. A naked girl gives foreground interest to beach scenes.
>
>A fat guy in shorts eating an ice cream in front of the Taj Mahal,
>maybe not.

The notion of taking photos during a restaurant dinner strikes me as
the lowest point in the evening. How often do those shots ever come
out well? For sure they interupt the flow of the evening.
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The Reid

Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>The notion of taking photos during a restaurant dinner strikes me as
>the lowest point in the evening. How often do those shots ever come
>out well?

"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/lenclume.htm" were just taken with a phone,
not good, but acceptable to show the food.


>For sure they interupt the flow of the evening.

depends on two things, the focus of the evening and the way its done.
In San Sebastian, where everybody is intensely interested in food, it
just seemed quite natural and part of enjoying the food which was the
focus of conversation anyway. If the people are not foodies, obviously
just do it without any fuss or comment or dont do it at all.
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Doesn't Frequently Mop

Make credence recognised that on Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:42:28 +0100, The
Reid <[email protected]> has scripted:

>Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>The notion of taking photos during a restaurant dinner strikes me as
>>the lowest point in the evening. How often do those shots ever come
>>out well?
>
>"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/lenclume.htm" were just taken with a phone,
>not good, but acceptable to show the food.

Man, they're some stingy servings!
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Dr Reid

Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>>"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/lenclume.htm" were just taken with a phone,
>>not good, but acceptable to show the food.
>
>Man, they're some stingy servings!

not when the courses are numbered in double figures.
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Doesn't Frequently Mop

Make credence recognised that on Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:11:12 +0100, Dr
Reid <[email protected]> has scripted:

>Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>>"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/lenclume.htm" were just taken with a phone,
>>>not good, but acceptable to show the food.
>>
>>Man, they're some stingy servings!
>
>not when the courses are numbered in double figures.

Pity the poor bugger who has to wash all the dishes!
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Dgs

"Dr Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>>"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/lenclume.htm" were just taken with a phone,
>>>not good, but acceptable to show the food.
>>
>>Man, they're some stingy servings!
>
> not when the courses are numbered in double figures.

Looks like this one's in a similar league with Moto, the
French Laundry, the Fat Duck, and El Bulli, to name a few.

I'll save it for a special occasion one of these years.
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The Reid

Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>>not when the courses are numbered in double figures.
>
>Pity the poor bugger who has to wash all the dishes!

probably pays better than McD, so why worry?
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The Reid

Following up to "dgs" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> not when the courses are numbered in double figures.
>
>Looks like this one's in a similar league with Moto, the
>French Laundry, the Fat Duck, and El Bulli, to name a few.

More real than the Fat Duck, not quite up with El Bulli, dont know
Moto, havent been to the French Laundry. L'enclume specialises in
using local and unusual herbs, I'll go again because its nowhere near
as expensive and can be combined with hillwalking.
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Doesn't Frequently Mop

Make credence recognised that on Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:16:46 +0100, The
Reid <[email protected]> has scripted:

>Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>>not when the courses are numbered in double figures.
>>
>>Pity the poor bugger who has to wash all the dishes!
>
>probably pays better than McD, so why worry?

Probably doesn't pay at all. They'd likely use one of the abundant old
folks. No one minds how long they take.
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The Reid

Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>>>Pity the poor bugger who has to wash all the dishes!
>>
>>probably pays better than McD, so why worry?
>
>Probably doesn't pay at all. They'd likely use one of the abundant old
>folks. No one minds how long they take.

In a restro, I doubt it.
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Dan Stephenson

On 2007-07-02 12:07:26 -0500, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> said:

> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to visit.

I respectfully disagree. I spent two weeks there a couple of years ago
and loved it. The only crazy mob place is the Piazza and the line from
there to the Rialto Bridge, during the day. Otherwise it wasn't too
bad. It was a real pleasure to wander around all the old buildings,
and at night - wow, what a magical place to wander around in. Even the
Piazza, which is empty except for the rose peddlers, and a couple
dancing to one last strain of the theme to _Titanic_.

So I would suggest that the key to avoid the problems of Venice is to
not be a day-tripper, because toward the late afternoon the crowds
lessen and the locals come out. It was awesome just to have the daily
trip to the supermarket for groceries for dinner (I rented an
apartment, so so the way to go).
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B Vaughan

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:34:47 GMT, Dan Stephenson
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2007-07-02 12:07:26 -0500, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to visit.
>
>I respectfully disagree.

Bob's just trying to discourage people from going there so he will
have a little more breathing room.
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Bob Fusillo

"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
> Bob's just trying to discourage people from going there so he will
> have a little more breathing room.
> --
> Barbara Vaughan

Partly that, but more importantly, the crush of tourists is literally
destroying the city., The message is difficult to get across. We get all
these comments here that " it was great when I was there," but they do not
really correspond to reality. There are months when the streets are too
crowded to walk -- we have regular grid-locks at intersecions ( the streets
are narrow!) that require police to unblock them. And these mobs are
literally wearing things out-- a wall, not matter how seemingly solid, can
withstand just so many millions of scrapings, brushings, leanings et al
before it begins to suffer. The stone steps are wearing from billions of
treads. And the refuse problem is unbelieavable -- millions of tons in piles
of litter- dry, moist and soggy-- fill many of the campi.
And of course, the Venetions have to pay taxes to clean and repair it
all.
Common advice from the "I was there once" visitor seems to be that
tourists should find less crowded times, but most tourists travel in spring
summer and autumn, and the crowds are abundant. Late January and early
February is comparatively un-crowded, but it is cold, damp, and bitter --
not conducive to leisurely strolling and getting lost.
It also appears to be common advice to "find out of the way places where
the mobs aren't." There are such places, of course, but even the people who
occasionally seek them out also want to see the highlights. There is no
sense going to Venice and ignoring the places that make you want to go to
Venice. And so the mobs occur. And do a vast amounts of physical damage.
People all want to "see the locals and eat where the locals eat." . During
the day the locals are at work ( many on the mainland) or trapped in their
homes. (We shop as early as possible and dread having to go out for a couple
of onions during the day). And at night, the locals are at home watching
TV. They cannot afford to eat out all the time. We live over a thriving
restaurant -- over 200 covers at lunch and much the same at nite. Weeks go
by when never a local is seen. And the more famous places in the
neighborhood are too expensive for more than a once yearly celebration. (
Many people seem to think that places where the customers ar3e speaking
Italian are "local hangouts." But Venetians don't speak Italian to each
other. Those Italian languge folk are most likely from Milano and Bologna
No one seems to go to Pittsburgh to "see and eat with the locals." You
would not expect them to be idly walking the streets or sitting in cafes.
Why do people assume that Venetians are there for their cultural and
touristic edification?

David Horne

bob fusillo <[email protected]> wrote:

> "B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >>
> > Bob's just trying to discourage people from going there so he will
> > have a little more breathing room.
> > --
> > Barbara Vaughan
>
> Partly that, but more importantly, the crush of tourists is literally
> destroying the city., The message is difficult to get across. We get all
> these comments here that " it was great when I was there," but they do not
> really correspond to reality. There are months when the streets are too
> crowded to walk -- we have regular grid-locks at intersecions ( the streets
> are narrow!) that require police to unblock them. And these mobs are
> literally wearing things out-- a wall, not matter how seemingly solid, can
> withstand just so many millions of scrapings, brushings, leanings et al
> before it begins to suffer. The stone steps are wearing from billions of
> treads. And the refuse problem is unbelieavable -- millions of tons in piles
> of litter- dry, moist and soggy-- fill many of the campi.
> And of course, the Venetions have to pay taxes to clean and repair it
> all.

The solution is disarmingly simple- I've alluded to it before. Charge an
entrance fee to the city for non-residents. Quite easy to do, for
obvious reasons. It could be applied in different ways, even through
train tickets into Venice (for people not from the area.) Lobby for
that- complaining here is pretty pointless...

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