Venice's plight
Jul 2nd 2007, 5:07 pm
#1
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Venice's plight
"NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda, Mayor
Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
"Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them. The
tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect. In
China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from this
surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It was a
very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
Wish to comment? http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
long for even lesser attractions.
rjf
Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
"Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them. The
tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect. In
China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from this
surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It was a
very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
Wish to comment? http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
long for even lesser attractions.
rjf
Jul 2nd 2007, 6:15 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
On 2 Jul, 19:07, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda, Mayor
> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them. The
> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect. In
> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from this
> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It was a
> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>
> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
> long for even lesser attractions.
> rjf
supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda, Mayor
> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them. The
> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect. In
> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from this
> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It was a
> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>
> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
> long for even lesser attractions.
> rjf
supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
Jul 2nd 2007, 6:18 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:
What?
You used to be a bone??
bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:
What?
You used to be a bone??
Jul 2nd 2007, 6:23 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
On 2 Jul, 20:18, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> What?
>
> You used to be a bone??
yesh nou giv mi yuor muney
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> What?
>
> You used to be a bone??
yesh nou giv mi yuor muney
Jul 2nd 2007, 6:29 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
On 2 Jul, 20:18, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> What?
>
> You used to be a bone??
and it continues.........
Good day
Sir/madam
My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria .
Sir/madam me and my family have a plane crash accident on how way
coming from china.but I thank GOD I was survive whit my anty. And
where left whit nothing. I want to us this opportunity to look for
help from you ,may be you can help me and secure a job in your
country,I mean any job to do.
As you do this may GOD almighty bless you and your family.
Thanks and god bless.
>From jones frido
2348024494387
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> What?
>
> You used to be a bone??
and it continues.........
Good day
Sir/madam
My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria .
Sir/madam me and my family have a plane crash accident on how way
coming from china.but I thank GOD I was survive whit my anty. And
where left whit nothing. I want to us this opportunity to look for
help from you ,may be you can help me and secure a job in your
country,I mean any job to do.
As you do this may GOD almighty bless you and your family.
Thanks and god bless.
>From jones frido
2348024494387
Jul 2nd 2007, 6:45 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:29:32 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:
... On 2 Jul, 20:18, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
... > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
... > bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... > this:
... >
... > What?
... >
... > You used to be a bone??
...
... and it continues.........
...
... Good day
...
... Sir/madam
...
... My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria .
... Sir/madam me and my family have a plane crash accident on how way
... coming from china.but I thank GOD I was survive whit my anty. And
... where left whit nothing. I want to us this opportunity to look for
... help from you ,may be you can help me and secure a job in your
... country,I mean any job to do.
...
... As you do this may GOD almighty bless you and your family.
...
... Thanks and god bless.
...
... >From jones frido
... 2348024494387
So, they had money to fly to China and back?
bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:
... On 2 Jul, 20:18, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
... > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
... > bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... > this:
... >
... > What?
... >
... > You used to be a bone??
...
... and it continues.........
...
... Good day
...
... Sir/madam
...
... My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria .
... Sir/madam me and my family have a plane crash accident on how way
... coming from china.but I thank GOD I was survive whit my anty. And
... where left whit nothing. I want to us this opportunity to look for
... help from you ,may be you can help me and secure a job in your
... country,I mean any job to do.
...
... As you do this may GOD almighty bless you and your family.
...
... Thanks and god bless.
...
... >From jones frido
... 2348024494387
So, they had money to fly to China and back?
Jul 2nd 2007, 6:54 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
On 2 Jul, 20:45, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:29:32 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ... On 2 Jul, 20:18, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
> ... > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> ... > bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> ... > this:
> ... >
> ... > What?
> ... >
> ... > You used to be a bone??
> ...
> ... and it continues.........
> ...
> ... Good day
> ...
> ... Sir/madam
> ...
> ... My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria .
> ... Sir/madam me and my family have a plane crash accident on how way
> ... coming from china.but I thank GOD I was survive whit my anty. And
> ... where left whit nothing. I want to us this opportunity to look for
> ... help from you ,may be you can help me and secure a job in your
> ... country,I mean any job to do.
> ...
> ... As you do this may GOD almighty bless you and your family.
> ...
> ... Thanks and god bless.
> ...
> ... >From jones frido
> ... 2348024494387
>
> So, they had money to fly to China and back?
indeed you are correct, I have been conned !
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:29:32 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ... On 2 Jul, 20:18, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
> ... > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> ... > bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> ... > this:
> ... >
> ... > What?
> ... >
> ... > You used to be a bone??
> ...
> ... and it continues.........
> ...
> ... Good day
> ...
> ... Sir/madam
> ...
> ... My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria .
> ... Sir/madam me and my family have a plane crash accident on how way
> ... coming from china.but I thank GOD I was survive whit my anty. And
> ... where left whit nothing. I want to us this opportunity to look for
> ... help from you ,may be you can help me and secure a job in your
> ... country,I mean any job to do.
> ...
> ... As you do this may GOD almighty bless you and your family.
> ...
> ... Thanks and god bless.
> ...
> ... >From jones frido
> ... 2348024494387
>
> So, they had money to fly to China and back?
indeed you are correct, I have been conned !
Jul 2nd 2007, 6:58 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
"My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> On 2 Jul, 19:07, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda,
>> Mayor
>> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
>> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
>> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them.
>> The
>> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
>> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect.
>> In
>> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
>> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from
>> this
>> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
>> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It
>> was a
>> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
>> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>>
>> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
>> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
>> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point,
>> and
>> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is
>> that
>> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying
>> tourists,
>> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are
>> some
>> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
>> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
>> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
>> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
>> long for even lesser attractions.
>> rjf
>
> supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
They tried a form of that -- charging tourist busses -- but they soon
learned other ways to get into town.
>
wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> On 2 Jul, 19:07, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda,
>> Mayor
>> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
>> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
>> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them.
>> The
>> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
>> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect.
>> In
>> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
>> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from
>> this
>> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
>> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It
>> was a
>> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
>> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>>
>> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
>> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
>> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point,
>> and
>> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is
>> that
>> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying
>> tourists,
>> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are
>> some
>> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
>> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
>> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
>> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
>> long for even lesser attractions.
>> rjf
>
> supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
They tried a form of that -- charging tourist busses -- but they soon
learned other ways to get into town.
>
Jul 2nd 2007, 6:58 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
On 2 Jul, 20:58, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria" <[email protected]>
> wrote in messagenews:[email protected] ooglegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 2 Jul, 19:07, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda,
> >> Mayor
> >> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
> >> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
> >> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them.
> >> The
> >> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
> >> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect.
> >> In
> >> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
> >> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from
> >> this
> >> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
> >> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It
> >> was a
> >> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
> >> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>
> >> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
> >> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
> >> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point,
> >> and
> >> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is
> >> that
> >> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying
> >> tourists,
> >> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are
> >> some
> >> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
> >> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
> >> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
> >> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
> >> long for even lesser attractions.
> >> rjf
>
> > supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
>
> They tried a form of that -- charging tourist busses -- but they soon
> learned other ways to get into town.
>
>
swimming ?
> "My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria" <[email protected]>
> wrote in messagenews:[email protected] ooglegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 2 Jul, 19:07, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda,
> >> Mayor
> >> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
> >> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
> >> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them.
> >> The
> >> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
> >> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect.
> >> In
> >> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
> >> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from
> >> this
> >> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
> >> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It
> >> was a
> >> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
> >> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>
> >> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
> >> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
> >> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point,
> >> and
> >> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is
> >> that
> >> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying
> >> tourists,
> >> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are
> >> some
> >> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
> >> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
> >> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
> >> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
> >> long for even lesser attractions.
> >> rjf
>
> > supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
>
> They tried a form of that -- charging tourist busses -- but they soon
> learned other ways to get into town.
>
>
swimming ?
Jul 2nd 2007, 8:40 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
Make credence recognised that on Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, My
name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria <[email protected]>
has scripted:
>On 2 Jul, 19:07, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda, Mayor
>> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
>> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
>> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them. The
>> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
>> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect. In
>> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
>> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from this
>> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
>> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It was a
>> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
>> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>>
>> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
>> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
>> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
>> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
>> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
>> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
>> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
>> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
>> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
>> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
>> long for even lesser attractions.
>> rjf
>
>supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
Even to locals visiting the other locals?
It's not a theme park, and won't be if the Italians have anything to
do with it.
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria <[email protected]>
has scripted:
>On 2 Jul, 19:07, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda, Mayor
>> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
>> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
>> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them. The
>> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
>> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect. In
>> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
>> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from this
>> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
>> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It was a
>> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
>> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>>
>> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
>> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
>> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
>> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
>> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
>> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
>> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
>> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
>> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
>> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
>> long for even lesser attractions.
>> rjf
>
>supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
Even to locals visiting the other locals?
It's not a theme park, and won't be if the Italians have anything to
do with it.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Jul 2nd 2007, 10:00 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:18:22 +0200, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
>bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this:
>
>What?
>
>You used to be a bone??
Through the nose as a decoration?
--
Martin
>On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
>bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this:
>
>What?
>
>You used to be a bone??
Through the nose as a decoration?
--
Martin
Jul 2nd 2007, 10:00 pm
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Re: Venice's plight
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:45:06 +0200, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:29:32 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
>bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this:
>
> ... On 2 Jul, 20:18, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
> ... > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> ... > bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> ... > this:
> ... >
> ... > What?
> ... >
> ... > You used to be a bone??
> ...
> ... and it continues.........
> ...
> ... Good day
> ...
> ... Sir/madam
> ...
> ... My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria .
> ... Sir/madam me and my family have a plane crash accident on how way
> ... coming from china.but I thank GOD I was survive whit my anty. And
> ... where left whit nothing. I want to us this opportunity to look for
> ... help from you ,may be you can help me and secure a job in your
> ... country,I mean any job to do.
> ...
> ... As you do this may GOD almighty bless you and your family.
> ...
> ... Thanks and god bless.
> ...
> ... >From jones frido
> ... 2348024494387
>
>So, they had money to fly to China and back?
It was Meissenware.
--
Martin
>On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:29:32 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
>bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this:
>
> ... On 2 Jul, 20:18, Magda <mags@de> wrote:
> ... > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, My name is jones frido I was
> ... > bone in Nigeria <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> ... > this:
> ... >
> ... > What?
> ... >
> ... > You used to be a bone??
> ...
> ... and it continues.........
> ...
> ... Good day
> ...
> ... Sir/madam
> ...
> ... My name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria .
> ... Sir/madam me and my family have a plane crash accident on how way
> ... coming from china.but I thank GOD I was survive whit my anty. And
> ... where left whit nothing. I want to us this opportunity to look for
> ... help from you ,may be you can help me and secure a job in your
> ... country,I mean any job to do.
> ...
> ... As you do this may GOD almighty bless you and your family.
> ...
> ... Thanks and god bless.
> ...
> ... >From jones frido
> ... 2348024494387
>
>So, they had money to fly to China and back?
It was Meissenware.
--
Martin
Jul 3rd 2007, 12:31 am
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Re: Venice's plight
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:07:26 -0400, "bob fusillo"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
>visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
>hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
>long for even lesser attractions.
>rjf
Not my experience, but then I visited in Spring and early
Summer, not the peak of the season.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
>visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
>hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
>long for even lesser attractions.
>rjf
Not my experience, but then I visited in Spring and early
Summer, not the peak of the season.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Kuranda Skyrail near Cairns
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
Jul 3rd 2007, 1:00 am
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Re: Venice's plight
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:40:04 +0200, Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Make credence recognised that on Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, My
>name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria <[email protected]>
>has scripted:
>
>>On 2 Jul, 19:07, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda, Mayor
>>> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
>>> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
>>> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them. The
>>> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
>>> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect. In
>>> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
>>> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from this
>>> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
>>> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It was a
>>> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
>>> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>>>
>>> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
>>> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
>>> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
>>> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
>>> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
>>> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
>>> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
>>> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
>>> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
>>> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
>>> long for even lesser attractions.
>>> rjf
>>
>>supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
>
>Even to locals visiting the other locals?
>
>It's not a theme park, and won't be if the Italians have anything to
>do with it.
>--
>---
>DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
>---
Theme park or not, Venice is unique and needs to be
preserved for future generations. So unique solutions need
to be investigated.
I would have thought it would be fairly easy because of the
island nature of the old city. Charge a toll, incorporated
into bus fares, to cross the causeway. Similarly charge a
toll to enter the Lido and on boats docking on the old
town's wharves.
Locals and their employees and guests would have a pass
exempting them from the toll. So would hotels for their
guests (loaded into the tariff), cruise boats and ferries
and their employees. It shouldn't be too difficult a
bureaucratic system to set up.
That kills two birds with one stone - restricting visitors
and funding restoration from the tolls.
I paid entry to see many other ancient and mediaeval sites;
as long as it wasn't totally over the top I would have had
no problem with a reasonable entry fee. Let's face it, I had
already spent a significant amount just getting there and
being accommodated - an extra 30 or 50 euros wouldn't have
been a significant loading.
They could even incorporate daily limits into that, with a
maximum allowed over the known hotel/locals/ferries quota;
similar to the limited admissions to places like the
Alhambra, with visitors given the opportunity to buy in
advance and spontaneous "drop-ins" discouraged. See:
http://www.alhambradegranada.org/gui...ntradas_en.asp
I bought my Alhambra tickets via the net; worked fine.
Just my opinion.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Kuranda Skyrail near Cairns
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Make credence recognised that on Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:15:17 -0700, My
>name is jones frido I was bone in Nigeria <[email protected]>
>has scripted:
>
>>On 2 Jul, 19:07, "bob fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "NEWS. During a conference which took place last week at Lake Garda, Mayor
>>> Cacciari [ of Venezia] made some remarkable suggestions about his city.
>>> "Please say that Venice smells, that merchants are expensive; please do
>>> adverse publicity. In Venice, we have to thin crowds, not attract them. The
>>> tourists who arrive every year already number 20,000,000, and we are
>>> preparing for the Chinese tourist boom, which is a frightening prospect. In
>>> China, new tourist agencies have been opened by the dozen, and everyone
>>> includes tours to Venice. The municipality doesn't get any benefit from this
>>> surge, and there are absurd costs for controlling trash and providing
>>> transportation. Tourism, beyond certain levels, becomes dangerous." It was a
>>> very clear speech, leaving no doubt about the municipality's dilemma.
>>> Wish to comment?http://blog.buongiornovenezia.com"
>>>
>>> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
>>> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
>>> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
>>> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
>>> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
>>> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
>>> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
>>> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
>>> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
>>> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
>>> long for even lesser attractions.
>>> rjf
>>
>>supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
>
>Even to locals visiting the other locals?
>
>It's not a theme park, and won't be if the Italians have anything to
>do with it.
>--
>---
>DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
>---
Theme park or not, Venice is unique and needs to be
preserved for future generations. So unique solutions need
to be investigated.
I would have thought it would be fairly easy because of the
island nature of the old city. Charge a toll, incorporated
into bus fares, to cross the causeway. Similarly charge a
toll to enter the Lido and on boats docking on the old
town's wharves.
Locals and their employees and guests would have a pass
exempting them from the toll. So would hotels for their
guests (loaded into the tariff), cruise boats and ferries
and their employees. It shouldn't be too difficult a
bureaucratic system to set up.
That kills two birds with one stone - restricting visitors
and funding restoration from the tolls.
I paid entry to see many other ancient and mediaeval sites;
as long as it wasn't totally over the top I would have had
no problem with a reasonable entry fee. Let's face it, I had
already spent a significant amount just getting there and
being accommodated - an extra 30 or 50 euros wouldn't have
been a significant loading.
They could even incorporate daily limits into that, with a
maximum allowed over the known hotel/locals/ferries quota;
similar to the limited admissions to places like the
Alhambra, with visitors given the opportunity to buy in
advance and spontaneous "drop-ins" discouraged. See:
http://www.alhambradegranada.org/gui...ntradas_en.asp
I bought my Alhambra tickets via the net; worked fine.
Just my opinion.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Kuranda Skyrail near Cairns
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
Jul 3rd 2007, 1:00 am
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Re: Venice's plight
On Jul 2, 4:40 pm, Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
> >> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
> >> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
> >> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
> >> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
> >> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
> >> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
> >> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
> >> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
> >> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
> >> long for even lesser attractions.
This article really exaggerates things. Venice is still a wonderful
place to visit if you stay overnight (to experience dawn and dusk, and
explore the city in the early hours before the tourists really arrive)
and see anything other than the area between the train station and St.
Mark's.
> >> rjf
>
> >supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
>
> Even to locals visiting the other locals?
>
> It's not a theme park, and won't be if the Italians have anything to
> do with it.
Charge Euro 20 to enter the city by road or rail - that will ensure
that the Cathy L type bus tourists at least make some non-trivial
contribution to the city's economy during the four hours they're
there, without deterring any longer visits or luxury tourists.
Waive the charge for anyone who lives within 100 miles of Venice, and
for visitors who can show proof of a 3 or more night hotel stay.
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >> For years there have been many attempts to thin the mobs of tourists,
> >> especially the non-spending but heavily polluting day-trippers, but to no
> >> avail. There is no doubt, tho, that things are reaching a flash point, and
> >> that the city will begin to try some drastic things. But the problem is that
> >> most of the things they contemplate will affect the hotel-staying tourists,
> >> and not the vast hordes of street-blocking, mess-makers. But there are some
> >> suggestions about handling them that are heavy.
> >> But for all tourists, and Venetians, Venice is no longer a nice place to
> >> visit. Crowded streets, often to the point of standstill, poor food
> >> hurriedly dished out, and unabashed overpricing. The queues are painfully
> >> long for even lesser attractions.
This article really exaggerates things. Venice is still a wonderful
place to visit if you stay overnight (to experience dawn and dusk, and
explore the city in the early hours before the tourists really arrive)
and see anything other than the area between the train station and St.
Mark's.
> >> rjf
>
> >supply and demand, charge them Euro 100 entrance fee.
>
> Even to locals visiting the other locals?
>
> It's not a theme park, and won't be if the Italians have anything to
> do with it.
Charge Euro 20 to enter the city by road or rail - that will ensure
that the Cathy L type bus tourists at least make some non-trivial
contribution to the city's economy during the four hours they're
there, without deterring any longer visits or luxury tourists.
Waive the charge for anyone who lives within 100 miles of Venice, and
for visitors who can show proof of a 3 or more night hotel stay.