Treatment of Tourists in Paris/ Hotel Jarry
Mar 4th 2003 | 5:56 am
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Re: Treatment of Tourists in Paris/ Hotel Jarry
"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
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> BB wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > Airlines & airport security has made it clear for several years that
> > joking or remarking about bombs can have drastic consequences.
> They have? Which specific airlines, and when and where did they say that?
> Seems a bit drastic.
I personally have had such an encounter many years ago (maybe about 10 years
ago). I was flying with a police officer who carried his gun on board (with
the captain's knowledge, of course). We were just talking and I mentioned
something about his gun and the flight attendant told me in no uncertain
terms never to mention the word "gun" on board.
> > Ever
> > seen "Meet the Parents" where the main character was arrested for this
> > reason?
> No. Is that a movie? Is it fiction or documentary?
It's a movie.
> > It was released in 2000, a year before the attacks.
> Regards
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> Puisqu'il faut choisir, àmots doux je peux le dire
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> BB wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > Airlines & airport security has made it clear for several years that
> > joking or remarking about bombs can have drastic consequences.
> They have? Which specific airlines, and when and where did they say that?
> Seems a bit drastic.
I personally have had such an encounter many years ago (maybe about 10 years
ago). I was flying with a police officer who carried his gun on board (with
the captain's knowledge, of course). We were just talking and I mentioned
something about his gun and the flight attendant told me in no uncertain
terms never to mention the word "gun" on board.
> > Ever
> > seen "Meet the Parents" where the main character was arrested for this
> > reason?
> No. Is that a movie? Is it fiction or documentary?
It's a movie.
> > It was released in 2000, a year before the attacks.
> Regards
> --
> Puisqu'il faut choisir, àmots doux je peux le dire
Mar 4th 2003 | 5:58 am
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"Johnny Hallyday" wrote in message
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> It has been in the Wall Street Journal at least 3 times in the last
> month. They don't put all of their content on the web.
> An American woman was beaten by Muslim youths when they found out she
> was an American. She was sent to the hospital. The Wall Street
> Journal said Germany, France, the UK were among the worst places they
> visited with exceptions. The best place was Denmark.
Do you know how many tourists are robbed, beaten, and even murdered in the
good ole' US of A?
> You might want to avoid France.
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> It has been in the Wall Street Journal at least 3 times in the last
> month. They don't put all of their content on the web.
> An American woman was beaten by Muslim youths when they found out she
> was an American. She was sent to the hospital. The Wall Street
> Journal said Germany, France, the UK were among the worst places they
> visited with exceptions. The best place was Denmark.
Do you know how many tourists are robbed, beaten, and even murdered in the
good ole' US of A?
> You might want to avoid France.
Mar 4th 2003 | 9:14 am
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Desmond Coughlan wrote in message news:...
> le 4 Mar 2003 07:08:54 -0800, dans l'article , Johnny Hallyday a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
> >> Please cite your source for the above allegation.
>
> > It has been in the Wall Street Journal at least 3 times in the last
> > month. They don't put all of their content on the web.
>
> Ha, ha, ha !!!
You must be easily amused Des. Each day they print about 200 pages dimwit.
> > An American woman was beaten by Muslim youths when they found out she was
> > an American.
>
> Where did this happen ? Give us the name of a town, or a district if it
> happened in Paris.
France.
> > She was sent to the hospital.
>
> Which hospital ?
French hospital.
> > The Wall Street Journal said Germany, France, the UK were among the worst
> > places they visited with exceptions. The best place was Denmark.
> >
> > You might want to avoid France.
Good suggestion. Paris usually smells like urine.
> I hope that _you_ avoid France. We shan't miss you.
Des - I am sure you will be busy with Mr. Chirac kissing Mr. Mugabe's arse.
> le 4 Mar 2003 07:08:54 -0800, dans l'article , Johnny Hallyday a dit ...
>
> { snip }
>
> >> Please cite your source for the above allegation.
>
> > It has been in the Wall Street Journal at least 3 times in the last
> > month. They don't put all of their content on the web.
>
> Ha, ha, ha !!!
You must be easily amused Des. Each day they print about 200 pages dimwit.
> > An American woman was beaten by Muslim youths when they found out she was
> > an American.
>
> Where did this happen ? Give us the name of a town, or a district if it
> happened in Paris.
France.
> > She was sent to the hospital.
>
> Which hospital ?
French hospital.
> > The Wall Street Journal said Germany, France, the UK were among the worst
> > places they visited with exceptions. The best place was Denmark.
> >
> > You might want to avoid France.
Good suggestion. Paris usually smells like urine.
> I hope that _you_ avoid France. We shan't miss you.
Des - I am sure you will be busy with Mr. Chirac kissing Mr. Mugabe's arse.
Mar 4th 2003 | 10:16 am
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Re: Treatment of Tourists in Paris/ Hotel Jarry
"John Stolz" wrote in message
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> David Carter wrote in message
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> > Hi all,
> >
> > I leave for Paris thisWednesday. For the last few weeks my dad has been
> > telling me how rude the French are, which I've just written talk as
> > bitter-old-guy talk. Lately it's started to make me think, though.
Does
> > anyone know of a specific recent incident where an American tourist was
> > targeted for poor treatment because of being an American? Any
suggestions
> > for handling this treatment?
> >
> > Also, I've made a reservation for Hotel Jarry, a budget hotel. Has
anyone
> > stayed here, or know anyone who has?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave
> >
> >
> This old chestnut...the obvious answer is that they're not rude to
> americans, they're rude to everyione.
> In fact they are just differently polite. Its far too common for tourists
> to assume that because local people don't use exactly the same rules of
> politeness as they are used to at home, that they are being deliberatly
> rude. Remember its a foreign country, they do things differently there -
> after all, isn't that why you are going?
Exactly, it's just a matter of culture clash. Like the poster who said he
was never going back to Italy, they were so rude, he waited for ages in a
restaurant and they never brought his check. The waiters were probably in
the back saying "When is this guy going to ask for his check?"
I must say my perception (of French rudeness) has been the same, but it
would never stop me from going to France.
Marianne (not a French Marianne)
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> David Carter wrote in message
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> > Hi all,
> >
> > I leave for Paris thisWednesday. For the last few weeks my dad has been
> > telling me how rude the French are, which I've just written talk as
> > bitter-old-guy talk. Lately it's started to make me think, though.
Does
> > anyone know of a specific recent incident where an American tourist was
> > targeted for poor treatment because of being an American? Any
suggestions
> > for handling this treatment?
> >
> > Also, I've made a reservation for Hotel Jarry, a budget hotel. Has
anyone
> > stayed here, or know anyone who has?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave
> >
> >
> This old chestnut...the obvious answer is that they're not rude to
> americans, they're rude to everyione.
> In fact they are just differently polite. Its far too common for tourists
> to assume that because local people don't use exactly the same rules of
> politeness as they are used to at home, that they are being deliberatly
> rude. Remember its a foreign country, they do things differently there -
> after all, isn't that why you are going?
Exactly, it's just a matter of culture clash. Like the poster who said he
was never going back to Italy, they were so rude, he waited for ages in a
restaurant and they never brought his check. The waiters were probably in
the back saying "When is this guy going to ask for his check?"
I must say my perception (of French rudeness) has been the same, but it
would never stop me from going to France.
Marianne (not a French Marianne)
Mar 4th 2003 | 11:44 am
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le 4 Mar 2003 14:14:07 -0800, dans l'article , Johnny Hallyday a dit ...
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>> > An American woman was beaten by Muslim youths when they found out she
>> > was an American.
>> Where did this happen ? Give us the name of a town, or a district if it
>> happened in Paris.
> France.
And you still expect to be taken seriously ?
{ snip remainder of infantile whining }
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{ snip }
>> > An American woman was beaten by Muslim youths when they found out she
>> > was an American.
>> Where did this happen ? Give us the name of a town, or a district if it
>> happened in Paris.
> France.
And you still expect to be taken seriously ?
{ snip remainder of infantile whining }
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Mar 4th 2003 | 1:34 pm
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:58:53 -0800, "Peter L"
wrote:
>Your dad is right. I suggest you stay home and use the money to eat some
>freedom fries.
Remind me to never come in here and ask a question of you.
Scott in FL
wrote:
>Your dad is right. I suggest you stay home and use the money to eat some
>freedom fries.
Remind me to never come in here and ask a question of you.
Scott in FL
Mar 4th 2003 | 4:10 pm
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> >The french are rude by nature, especially french waiters. In most
> >cases this is not aimed at the individual, they treat everyone foreign
> >like that. In Paris especially, folk can be a bit uppity and rude
> >even to other french people.
> I have never found this to be true.
I certainly have! I speak reasonable French, and I the first time I went
there was with 2 Luxembourgers (who spoke perfect French) and 2 Parisian
guys. I said after a couple of days that I thought the Parisians were fine,
and they disputed this.
Later on we all got some first-hand rude service when a waiter refused to
wipe a table down that we sat at. I am told this is to be expected, and
comes with the territory. Ce la vie!
---
DFM - look guys, I made an on-topic post!!!
> >cases this is not aimed at the individual, they treat everyone foreign
> >like that. In Paris especially, folk can be a bit uppity and rude
> >even to other french people.
> I have never found this to be true.
I certainly have! I speak reasonable French, and I the first time I went
there was with 2 Luxembourgers (who spoke perfect French) and 2 Parisian
guys. I said after a couple of days that I thought the Parisians were fine,
and they disputed this.
Later on we all got some first-hand rude service when a waiter refused to
wipe a table down that we sat at. I am told this is to be expected, and
comes with the territory. Ce la vie!
---
DFM - look guys, I made an on-topic post!!!
Mar 4th 2003 | 4:10 pm
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> Not sure if this was a joke or not. It never ceases to amaze me when an
> untraveled person comes here looking for advice and gets treated like crap
> for asking a simple question.
People who don't bother to lurk to see if their question has already been
answered many times can expect a rude response, such is the nature of
usenet. It happens in other ngs, and it happens here.
How much effort is it to read a few posts before launching into a new one
like "I have heard that all French people are all rude pigs. Is this true?".
It is true that the pouring of scorn can get out of hand in these
situations, but surely it's better for it to happen here than in the real
world.
---
DFM
> untraveled person comes here looking for advice and gets treated like crap
> for asking a simple question.
People who don't bother to lurk to see if their question has already been
answered many times can expect a rude response, such is the nature of
usenet. It happens in other ngs, and it happens here.
How much effort is it to read a few posts before launching into a new one
like "I have heard that all French people are all rude pigs. Is this true?".
It is true that the pouring of scorn can get out of hand in these
situations, but surely it's better for it to happen here than in the real
world.
---
DFM
Mar 4th 2003 | 7:28 pm
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In article , Deep Floyd Mars
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>> >The french are rude by nature, especially french waiters. In most
>> >cases this is not aimed at the individual, they treat everyone foreign
>> >like that. In Paris especially, folk can be a bit uppity and rude
>> >even to other french people.
>> I have never found this to be true.
>I certainly have! I speak reasonable French, and I the first time I went
>there was with 2 Luxembourgers (who spoke perfect French) and 2 Parisian
>guys. I said after a couple of days that I thought the Parisians were fine,
>and they disputed this.
>Later on we all got some first-hand rude service when a waiter refused to
>wipe a table down that we sat at. I am told this is to be expected, and
>comes with the territory. Ce la vie!
>---
In fact, although my French is totally fluent, I do not deem language to
be the criterion when judging people. It is a matter of attitude. You
get what you deserve.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>> >The french are rude by nature, especially french waiters. In most
>> >cases this is not aimed at the individual, they treat everyone foreign
>> >like that. In Paris especially, folk can be a bit uppity and rude
>> >even to other french people.
>> I have never found this to be true.
>I certainly have! I speak reasonable French, and I the first time I went
>there was with 2 Luxembourgers (who spoke perfect French) and 2 Parisian
>guys. I said after a couple of days that I thought the Parisians were fine,
>and they disputed this.
>Later on we all got some first-hand rude service when a waiter refused to
>wipe a table down that we sat at. I am told this is to be expected, and
>comes with the territory. Ce la vie!
>---
In fact, although my French is totally fluent, I do not deem language to
be the criterion when judging people. It is a matter of attitude. You
get what you deserve.
--
Marie Lewis
Mar 4th 2003 | 7:30 pm
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In article , mimi
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>I must say my perception (of French rudeness) has been the same, but it
>would never stop me from going to France.
I truly cannot understand this. I go to France frequently and have
lived in Paris and I never get anything but excellent treatment and
kindness. People go out of their way to help, they invite me to meals in
their homes.
Maybe my adoration of France and the French shines through?
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>I must say my perception (of French rudeness) has been the same, but it
>would never stop me from going to France.
I truly cannot understand this. I go to France frequently and have
lived in Paris and I never get anything but excellent treatment and
kindness. People go out of their way to help, they invite me to meals in
their homes.
Maybe my adoration of France and the French shines through?
--
Marie Lewis
Mar 5th 2003 | 2:21 am
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le 4 Mar 2003 20:16:09 -0800, dans l'article , mga707 a dit ...
>> All in, best not to risk it, eh ? One just never knows, what with these
>> 'rude, anti-American French'.
> you left out "reeking of body odor"....
What's 'odor' ?
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>> All in, best not to risk it, eh ? One just never knows, what with these
>> 'rude, anti-American French'.
> you left out "reeking of body odor"....
What's 'odor' ?
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
Mar 5th 2003 | 2:39 am
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:31:07 GMT, "David Carter" wrote:
>Hi all,
>I leave for Paris thisWednesday. For the last few weeks my dad has been
>telling me how rude the French are, which I've just written talk as
>bitter-old-guy talk. Lately it's started to make me think, though. Does
>anyone know of a specific recent incident where an American tourist was
>targeted for poor treatment because of being an American? Any suggestions
>for handling this treatment?
>Also, I've made a reservation for Hotel Jarry, a budget hotel. Has anyone
>stayed here, or know anyone who has?
>Thanks
>Dave
I got kicked in the butt once in Rome, by some old nut-case who thought I was a
German! Don't take it personally if some of the people of Paris are not
particularly warm. It's a big city. Just think of Manhattan!
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"If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee."
- Abraham Lincoln
>Hi all,
>I leave for Paris thisWednesday. For the last few weeks my dad has been
>telling me how rude the French are, which I've just written talk as
>bitter-old-guy talk. Lately it's started to make me think, though. Does
>anyone know of a specific recent incident where an American tourist was
>targeted for poor treatment because of being an American? Any suggestions
>for handling this treatment?
>Also, I've made a reservation for Hotel Jarry, a budget hotel. Has anyone
>stayed here, or know anyone who has?
>Thanks
>Dave
I got kicked in the butt once in Rome, by some old nut-case who thought I was a
German! Don't take it personally if some of the people of Paris are not
particularly warm. It's a big city. Just think of Manhattan!
--
"If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee."
- Abraham Lincoln
Mar 5th 2003 | 2:50 am
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"Desmond Coughlan" wrote in message
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> le 4 Mar 2003 20:16:09 -0800, dans l'article
, mga707
a dit ...
> >> All in, best not to risk it, eh ? One just never knows, what with
these
> >> 'rude, anti-American French'.
> > you left out "reeking of body odor"....
> What's 'odor' ?
Something that is often left ojar
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> le 4 Mar 2003 20:16:09 -0800, dans l'article
, mga707
a dit ...
> >> All in, best not to risk it, eh ? One just never knows, what with
these
> >> 'rude, anti-American French'.
> > you left out "reeking of body odor"....
> What's 'odor' ?
Something that is often left ojar
Mar 5th 2003 | 2:53 am
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le Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:50:55 -0000, dans l'article , Miss L.Toe a dit ...
{ snip }
>> > you left out "reeking of body odor"....
>> What's 'odor' ?
> Something that is often left ojar
*snort*
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{ snip }
>> > you left out "reeking of body odor"....
>> What's 'odor' ?
> Something that is often left ojar
*snort*
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
