On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:47:39 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> did you wave?
>
>I tried. It's a sign of busy skies.

indeed. Be as bad as M25 soon.
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:46:11 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> It a question of which are most distressing.
>> For the millions effected by airport noise, which is far louder, its
>> that.
>
>People living next to motorways can find that noise distressing too.

sure, i'm not saying there is no other noise, i'm saying aircraft
noise causes major distress.

>I would be distressed if someone was playing music that I could hear from
>my study.

so why doesnt aircraft noise count again?

>> I know people who cant speak over aircraft noise where they
>> live. Here, cars are a slight swish as they go past, the City Airport
>> planes are a roar. I'm hardly living in a minority place and if I was
>> I dont accept that only effecting some people is a defence.
>
>I'm not the one defending anything- you're the one in pugilistic mood
>today.

<thwak!>

>.I'm simply saying that airplane noise affects less people. That's
>all.

but the implication must be that it therfore matters less, or why say
it?

>You're confusing 'yourself' with everyone.

not sure I understand that, I assume you are not saying most people
dont find aircraft noise unpleasant?
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:

> BTW, I'm not anti car. I just don't like being in them.

I'm rather anti car.

On one hand I do not own one nor have a driving license, and get motion
sick. And don't like to sit there in a queue on a motorway compared to
sitting on a train where I can move along the aisle. But that's just my
preference.

I'm anti car USAGE in cities, because I think a place like Milan is
(estethically) spoiled by the enormous number of cars wasting space
parked idle for 23 hours a day. And when they travel for the remaining
hour per day, their congestion slows down "surface" public transport.

Nevertheless I'm ready to admit that there are places which are not
easily reached by public transport, and in particular that Italy outside
of train connected area is not an easy place to travel by public
transport without careful planning (other countries are easier). even
where some form of PT exists.

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Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
> Nevertheless I'm ready to admit that there are places which are not
> easily reached by public transport, and in particular that Italy outside
> of train connected area is not an easy place to travel by public
> transport without careful planning (other countries are easier). even
> where some form of PT exists.

Almost any country I can think of requires planning when using PT, but
reading timetables and figuring out connections is part of the fun of it
in my opinion.

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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:59:09 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

> even
>> where some form of PT exists.
>
>Almost any country I can think of requires planning when using PT, but
>reading timetables and figuring out connections is part of the fun of it
>in my opinion.

like other people like reading road maps
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:59:09 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[]
>> Nevertheless I'm ready to admit that there are places which are not
>> easily reached by public transport, and in particular that Italy outside
>> of train connected area is not an easy place to travel by public
>> transport without careful planning (other countries are easier). even
>> where some form of PT exists.
>
>Almost any country I can think of requires planning when using PT, but
>reading timetables and figuring out connections is part of the fun of it
>in my opinion.

It certainly seems to provide hours of cheap entertainment to some posters here
:-)
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:

> Almost any country I can think of requires planning when using PT, but
> reading timetables and figuring out connections is part of the fun of it
> in my opinion.

I do agree that "reading timetables and figuring out connections" is
fun. What is NOT fun is procuring the timetable, finding it is not
friendly, finding out where a given bus is departing, which company
operates it, or where one can get the tickets. This sometimes can be a
pain. Specially in Italy.

I remember as very pleasant planning bus trips near Skagen, North
Jutland, over the 'net before departing from Italy. Or very helpful to
collect info about connections from Hyeres to the islands (including
writing in my poor french to the local transport agency webmaster,
getting a reply, and a missing timetable inserted on their website).

Also from the pre-network era I remember some easily arrangement of very
last minute trips, say from Rotterdam to the Delta Expo, or from Bath
to Wells, just enquiring at the local tourist office or local bus
station.

Similar things can be quite painful in Italy, when you go down to
private or local operators (and note, I have no language barriers !).
Just arranging a trip in the surroundings of Milan may not be so
obvious.

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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:59:09 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> > even
> >> where some form of PT exists.
> >
> >Almost any country I can think of requires planning when using PT, but
> >reading timetables and figuring out connections is part of the fun of it
> >in my opinion.
>
> like other people like reading road maps

I like reading any kind of map really, including road maps.

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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:52:51 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:59:09 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> > even
>> >> where some form of PT exists.
>> >
>> >Almost any country I can think of requires planning when using PT, but
>> >reading timetables and figuring out connections is part of the fun of it
>> >in my opinion.
>>
>> like other people like reading road maps
>
>I like reading any kind of map really, including road maps.

Yeah but ... which do you prefer?
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:52:51 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> like other people like reading road maps
>
>I like reading any kind of map really, including road maps.

so do I actually, have hundreds.
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On Apr 30, 11:52 am, Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
> > Almost any country I can think of requires planning when using PT, but
> > reading timetables and figuring out connections is part of the fun of it
> > in my opinion.
>
> I do agree that "reading timetables and figuring out connections" is
> fun. What is NOT fun is procuring the timetable, finding it is not
> friendly, finding out where a given bus is departing, which company
> operates it, or where one can get the tickets. This sometimes can be a
> pain. Specially in Italy.
[snip]

Ug. Naples. Already jet lagged from about 30 hours of travel,
standing outside the train station. Purchase a bus ticket to
Ravello, but couldn't find the bus. Lot's-o-buses out front, none
of them ours. Asking around produces alot of folks who don't
speak english and don't really understand the question. Tourist
info office inside doesn't know. Finally, in complete desperation,
I ask a cabbie if he knows where it is (I know, I know, cabbie in
Naples, but I was desperate). Sure he does, can drive me
there for 10 EUR. Drives me not too far away, but too far to
have walked (down by the water somewhere). Yup, there's a
bus station, and there's our bus. We get on, sit for a bit and
then the bus leaves. Of course, it drove straight to the train
station. (Well behind it a bit in front of a hotel).

Yeah, fun, that's how I tell the story.

Make credence recognised that on Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:12:31 +0200,
Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>
>> BTW, I'm not anti car. I just don't like being in them.
>
>I'm rather anti car.
>
>On one hand I do not own one nor have a driving license, and get motion
>sick. And don't like to sit there in a queue on a motorway compared to
>sitting on a train where I can move along the aisle. But that's just my
>preference.

Much like mine, but I also look upon cars as a tax I don't have to
pay, because I don't have one.

>I'm anti car USAGE in cities, because I think a place like Milan is
>(estethically) spoiled by the enormous number of cars wasting space
>parked idle for 23 hours a day. And when they travel for the remaining
>hour per day, their congestion slows down "surface" public transport.

Milan is very well suited to bicycles, trams and buses. I don't know
why car usage is so high there. Actually it's likely the love Italians
have with their cars.
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Make credence recognised that on Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:59:33 +0200,
Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:52:51 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:59:09 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>
>>> > even
>>> >> where some form of PT exists.
>>> >
>>> >Almost any country I can think of requires planning when using PT, but
>>> >reading timetables and figuring out connections is part of the fun of it
>>> >in my opinion.
>>>
>>> like other people like reading road maps
>>
>>I like reading any kind of map really, including road maps.
>
>Yeah but ... which do you prefer?

Almost a LOL, but really a )
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Make credence recognised that on Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:52:48 +0200,
Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
>> Almost any country I can think of requires planning when using PT, but
>> reading timetables and figuring out connections is part of the fun of it
>> in my opinion.
>
>I do agree that "reading timetables and figuring out connections" is
>fun. What is NOT fun is procuring the timetable, finding it is not
>friendly, finding out where a given bus is departing, which company
>operates it, or where one can get the tickets. This sometimes can be a
>pain. Specially in Italy.

In La Spezia I watched with helplessness as tourists would get on a
train that completely bypassed the Cinque Terre, because the one that
actually went there arrived on the same platform 15 minutes later.

Many of them wouldn't listen to me, thinking I was just having a
laugh. I did of course end up having a laugh. Why on earth wasn't
there an announcement in English for these guys?

>Similar things can be quite painful in Italy, when you go down to
>private or local operators (and note, I have no language barriers !).
>Just arranging a trip in the surroundings of Milan may not be so
>obvious.

I'm wondering just what there is to see in the surroundings of Milan!
Monte Stella? Monza? Quattro Oggiaro?
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Make credence recognised that on Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:42:32 +0100, The
Reid <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:03:17 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>>I really doubt it was a pun. I suppose I was being a bit of an arsehole-
>
>another "you said it" :-)
>
>>I'm surprised Mike knows who Megadeth are. I expected the Rolling
>>Stones were more his style.
>
>ive heard the name vaguely, I dont see what the pun would have been
>really? Mind you ive been looking at music downloading and now know
>all these terms like trance, hip hop and garage, dunno what they mean
>though. Put off by virgin wanting to impose a copying limit without
>saying how many times and what else the software might do. Think i'll
>buy the CDs insterad.

Find a copy of BearShare, install it, and download till your heart's
content. Just enter the band name or song, and you'll get a list of
songs you can have for nothing.

*Disclaimer* I would never dream of doing something so evil as
depriving the recording industry of funds, and neither would anyone
else reading this.
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