travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
Apr 29th 2007 | 4:57 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
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>> Make credence recognised that on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:07:49 +0200, B
>> Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:55:02 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Two weeks vacation, minus time picking up and dropping off the car,
>>>>trying to park, driving around, getting lost, dealing with a new
>>>>driving culture, possibly needing an international drivers licence
>>>>(for the Americans, not sure), add to that the high cost, plus if you
>>>>crash it, your holiday is likely to be ruined. And all this time you
>>>>are focussed on driving, and not on enjoying the scenery.
>>>
>>>I seriously doubt that this person is an American, as he used the term
>>>"campings" where an American would generally say "campgrounds".
>>
>>
>> She's from St Louis, if her posts are correct.
>
> I agree with Barbara though. It is a weird usage for someone from the
> USA.
>
She may be an ESL. English Second Language person.
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> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>
>> Make credence recognised that on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:07:49 +0200, B
>> Vaughan<[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:55:02 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Two weeks vacation, minus time picking up and dropping off the car,
>>>>trying to park, driving around, getting lost, dealing with a new
>>>>driving culture, possibly needing an international drivers licence
>>>>(for the Americans, not sure), add to that the high cost, plus if you
>>>>crash it, your holiday is likely to be ruined. And all this time you
>>>>are focussed on driving, and not on enjoying the scenery.
>>>
>>>I seriously doubt that this person is an American, as he used the term
>>>"campings" where an American would generally say "campgrounds".
>>
>>
>> She's from St Louis, if her posts are correct.
>
> I agree with Barbara though. It is a weird usage for someone from the
> USA.
>
She may be an ESL. English Second Language person.
Apr 29th 2007 | 7:09 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:25:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> PT is never going to be viable in low to near zero population areas.
>
>Most of the places you go to in your life on leisure are easily
>accessible by PT. You don't use it because you have a car. That's the
>way most people act. Fair enough, but don't pretend otherwise.
you constantly pretend remote country areas are easily accessible by
PT, if we argue for hours you eventually say "ok, I'll settle for not
going" If you want to go hillwalking in the highlands an occasional
bus isn't going to get you onto the hill, to the fishing lake, the
birdwatxching site, the photographic location when you need to be
there.
A few dedicated people do it with a lot of effort, which is
commendable but its fantasy to believe its practical for most,
certainly not me now Carol has a bad back.
>>
>> >instead of zooming through the roads (perhaps even over the
>> >alcohol limit)
>>
>> what the f*** has drink driving got to do with it.
>
>Because you've conceded you've "probably" done it in Spain, and I think
>drunk driving is as low as it gets.
OK, just **** off then if you think im as low as it gets. For yoiur
information back in the 60s and 70s almost everyone was pretty relaxed
about drink driving, now we arent. but if it makes you feel
superior...
>> Or "zooming",
>> trains zoom through the landscape, by car you go whatever pace you
>> like.
>
>Er, Mike, you zoom up from London to the Lake District frequently, and
>brag how easy it is to do, and how quick too!
so what? You constantly tell me how fast trains are, you can drive
fast, you can drive slow, you are personalising this into me, not
cars, fine if thats what you want.
>> >at top speed.
>>
>> or "speeding"
>
>True- some do both.
and many dont. Cars go slow or fast, is there any point here.
>> >They're accessible by PT- more effective by
>> >driving in noisy cars? Probably.
>>
>> An unbiased scottish poster here estimatted that 1/3 of highland hills
>> were accesible fairly easily by PT, 1/3 with great difficulty and 1/3
>> not at all.
>> If you want noise think planes
>
>I think noise, and I think what makes most of it in my life. It ain't
>planes- most of us don't live near airports, or at 30,000 feet.
Fine, so **** anyone who is under your flightpath when you fly off all
over the place for weekends. Talk about totally selfish and only
seeing aspects YOU want to see.
>> >But, not as nice.
>>
>> nicer by car, more accesible, more practical. Its fantasy pretending
>> getting to, say, Craig Meageadaith makes any sense by PT.
>
>"Craig Meageadaith" makes no sense to me. Where are you talking about>
its pronounced "Crag Meggie" its one of hundreds of scottish
mnountains you havent been to. I'll look up tyhe spelling so you can
gooogle some one a day bus route.. creag meagaidh
--
Mike Reid
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> PT is never going to be viable in low to near zero population areas.
>
>Most of the places you go to in your life on leisure are easily
>accessible by PT. You don't use it because you have a car. That's the
>way most people act. Fair enough, but don't pretend otherwise.
you constantly pretend remote country areas are easily accessible by
PT, if we argue for hours you eventually say "ok, I'll settle for not
going" If you want to go hillwalking in the highlands an occasional
bus isn't going to get you onto the hill, to the fishing lake, the
birdwatxching site, the photographic location when you need to be
there.
A few dedicated people do it with a lot of effort, which is
commendable but its fantasy to believe its practical for most,
certainly not me now Carol has a bad back.
>>
>> >instead of zooming through the roads (perhaps even over the
>> >alcohol limit)
>>
>> what the f*** has drink driving got to do with it.
>
>Because you've conceded you've "probably" done it in Spain, and I think
>drunk driving is as low as it gets.
OK, just **** off then if you think im as low as it gets. For yoiur
information back in the 60s and 70s almost everyone was pretty relaxed
about drink driving, now we arent. but if it makes you feel
superior...
>> Or "zooming",
>> trains zoom through the landscape, by car you go whatever pace you
>> like.
>
>Er, Mike, you zoom up from London to the Lake District frequently, and
>brag how easy it is to do, and how quick too!
so what? You constantly tell me how fast trains are, you can drive
fast, you can drive slow, you are personalising this into me, not
cars, fine if thats what you want.
>> >at top speed.
>>
>> or "speeding"
>
>True- some do both.
and many dont. Cars go slow or fast, is there any point here.
>> >They're accessible by PT- more effective by
>> >driving in noisy cars? Probably.
>>
>> An unbiased scottish poster here estimatted that 1/3 of highland hills
>> were accesible fairly easily by PT, 1/3 with great difficulty and 1/3
>> not at all.
>> If you want noise think planes
>
>I think noise, and I think what makes most of it in my life. It ain't
>planes- most of us don't live near airports, or at 30,000 feet.
Fine, so **** anyone who is under your flightpath when you fly off all
over the place for weekends. Talk about totally selfish and only
seeing aspects YOU want to see.
>> >But, not as nice.
>>
>> nicer by car, more accesible, more practical. Its fantasy pretending
>> getting to, say, Craig Meageadaith makes any sense by PT.
>
>"Craig Meageadaith" makes no sense to me. Where are you talking about>
its pronounced "Crag Meggie" its one of hundreds of scottish
mnountains you havent been to. I'll look up tyhe spelling so you can
gooogle some one a day bus route.. creag meagaidh
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
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Apr 29th 2007 | 7:14 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:39:48 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
<[email protected]> wrote:
>He means Creag Meagaidh and may be making a pun. (As a musician you
>can't be expected to know who Megadeth are).
no
>It's a pretty silly example since most of your time getting to it will
>be on foot (ok, you *might* be able to drive a 4WD up Coire Ardair if
>you were enough of an arsehole, I've seen wheeltracks tearing up the
>landscape in places that remote).
nobody is suggesting doing that
>The Scottish Mountaineering Club's take on it (_The Munros_, 1985 ed) is
>"There are two very fine walking routes to the summit which if combined
>into a traverse make a magnificent mountain expedition, but the finishing
>point is 8km along the A86 road from the start. Two cars would be useful
>for this trip".
>I've been to places that remote by public transport (supplemented by
>feet and pushbike).
congratulations.
its *possible* but difficult, my wife cant ride a bike. I'm a
photographer, I want to be on the hill at dawn on days with promising
weather, how would you do it.
>Perhaps we should organize an rte gathering there,
>it's not exactly difficult to figure it out if you don't have the mental
>deficits of a chronic car driver.
if you want to take that purile attitude you can **** off to. What is
it with you people, you dont drive and you think it gives you the
right to talk like arseholes.
--
Mike Reid
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>He means Creag Meagaidh and may be making a pun. (As a musician you
>can't be expected to know who Megadeth are).
no
>It's a pretty silly example since most of your time getting to it will
>be on foot (ok, you *might* be able to drive a 4WD up Coire Ardair if
>you were enough of an arsehole, I've seen wheeltracks tearing up the
>landscape in places that remote).
nobody is suggesting doing that
>The Scottish Mountaineering Club's take on it (_The Munros_, 1985 ed) is
>"There are two very fine walking routes to the summit which if combined
>into a traverse make a magnificent mountain expedition, but the finishing
>point is 8km along the A86 road from the start. Two cars would be useful
>for this trip".
>I've been to places that remote by public transport (supplemented by
>feet and pushbike).
congratulations.
its *possible* but difficult, my wife cant ride a bike. I'm a
photographer, I want to be on the hill at dawn on days with promising
weather, how would you do it.
>Perhaps we should organize an rte gathering there,
>it's not exactly difficult to figure it out if you don't have the mental
>deficits of a chronic car driver.
if you want to take that purile attitude you can **** off to. What is
it with you people, you dont drive and you think it gives you the
right to talk like arseholes.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Apr 29th 2007 | 7:37 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:39:48 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It's a pretty silly example since most of your time getting to it will
>be on foot
its a silly example because most of the day is spent walking, what
sort of half baked logic is that? I want to get to the bottom of
various hills at dawn to have a chance of doing the walk or taking the
photos. A car does that quickly and thats why most people do it,
because it works, not because they have the "mental deficits of a
chronic car driver". you people really are arses with your attitude.
> (ok, you *might* be able to drive a 4WD up Coire Ardair if
>you were enough of an arsehole, I've seen wheeltracks tearing up the
>landscape in places that remote).
almost certainly the landowner
--
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>It's a pretty silly example since most of your time getting to it will
>be on foot
its a silly example because most of the day is spent walking, what
sort of half baked logic is that? I want to get to the bottom of
various hills at dawn to have a chance of doing the walk or taking the
photos. A car does that quickly and thats why most people do it,
because it works, not because they have the "mental deficits of a
chronic car driver". you people really are arses with your attitude.
> (ok, you *might* be able to drive a 4WD up Coire Ardair if
>you were enough of an arsehole, I've seen wheeltracks tearing up the
>landscape in places that remote).
almost certainly the landowner
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
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Apr 29th 2007 | 8:08 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:39:48 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The Scottish Mountaineering Club's take on it (_The Munros_, 1985 ed) is
>"There are two very fine walking routes to the summit which if combined
>into a traverse make a magnificent mountain expedition, but the finishing
>point is 8km along the A86 road from the start. Two cars would be useful
>for this trip".
which, arsehole, is the 3rd alternative route, the main 2 routes go
round the horseshoe and surprise, surprise, ends up back at the car
park where you started. Page 152 The Munroes SMC.
--
Mike Reid
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>The Scottish Mountaineering Club's take on it (_The Munros_, 1985 ed) is
>"There are two very fine walking routes to the summit which if combined
>into a traverse make a magnificent mountain expedition, but the finishing
>point is 8km along the A86 road from the start. Two cars would be useful
>for this trip".
which, arsehole, is the 3rd alternative route, the main 2 routes go
round the horseshoe and surprise, surprise, ends up back at the car
park where you started. Page 152 The Munroes SMC.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
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Apr 29th 2007 | 8:28 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:24:41 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Put down the bottle and go to bed, Mike!
I hadnt been drinking. Barbara said, when asked, that when she needs
to go to country places she hires a car. Others who are italian or
know Italy have pointed out the pros and cons of car and train. You
seem to think because you are in Italy you are the only one with a
valid opinion. Ive been hiring a car and working my way down Italy a
week at a time for several years. It works perfectly well, in cities
the car just goes into the carpark and stays there and its exactly
what the OP is considering doing as one option. I'm ghetting really
pissed with the "attitude" of the anti car people here, the
exagerations, insults and general nonsense. How about some honesty
when it comes to answering genuine enquiries and keeping the bollox
for OT threads?
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Put down the bottle and go to bed, Mike!
I hadnt been drinking. Barbara said, when asked, that when she needs
to go to country places she hires a car. Others who are italian or
know Italy have pointed out the pros and cons of car and train. You
seem to think because you are in Italy you are the only one with a
valid opinion. Ive been hiring a car and working my way down Italy a
week at a time for several years. It works perfectly well, in cities
the car just goes into the carpark and stays there and its exactly
what the OP is considering doing as one option. I'm ghetting really
pissed with the "attitude" of the anti car people here, the
exagerations, insults and general nonsense. How about some honesty
when it comes to answering genuine enquiries and keeping the bollox
for OT threads?
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
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Apr 29th 2007 | 8:49 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:25:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> PT is never going to be viable in low to near zero population areas.
> >
> >Most of the places you go to in your life on leisure are easily
> >accessible by PT. You don't use it because you have a car. That's the
> >way most people act. Fair enough, but don't pretend otherwise.
>
> you constantly pretend remote country areas are easily accessible by
> PT, if we argue for hours you eventually say "ok, I'll settle for not
> going" If you want to go hillwalking in the highlands an occasional
> bus isn't going to get you onto the hill, to the fishing lake, the
> birdwatxching site, the photographic location when you need to be
> there.
People manage it all the time.
[]
> >I think noise, and I think what makes most of it in my life. It ain't
> >planes- most of us don't live near airports, or at 30,000 feet.
>
> Fine, so **** anyone who is under your flightpath when you fly off all
> over the place for weekends. Talk about totally selfish and only
> seeing aspects YOU want to see.
No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
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> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:25:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> PT is never going to be viable in low to near zero population areas.
> >
> >Most of the places you go to in your life on leisure are easily
> >accessible by PT. You don't use it because you have a car. That's the
> >way most people act. Fair enough, but don't pretend otherwise.
>
> you constantly pretend remote country areas are easily accessible by
> PT, if we argue for hours you eventually say "ok, I'll settle for not
> going" If you want to go hillwalking in the highlands an occasional
> bus isn't going to get you onto the hill, to the fishing lake, the
> birdwatxching site, the photographic location when you need to be
> there.
People manage it all the time.
[]
> >I think noise, and I think what makes most of it in my life. It ain't
> >planes- most of us don't live near airports, or at 30,000 feet.
>
> Fine, so **** anyone who is under your flightpath when you fly off all
> over the place for weekends. Talk about totally selfish and only
> seeing aspects YOU want to see.
No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 29th 2007 | 8:55 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:49:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:25:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> PT is never going to be viable in low to near zero population areas.
>> >
>> >Most of the places you go to in your life on leisure are easily
>> >accessible by PT. You don't use it because you have a car. That's the
>> >way most people act. Fair enough, but don't pretend otherwise.
>>
>> you constantly pretend remote country areas are easily accessible by
>> PT, if we argue for hours you eventually say "ok, I'll settle for not
>> going" If you want to go hillwalking in the highlands an occasional
>> bus isn't going to get you onto the hill, to the fishing lake, the
>> birdwatxching site, the photographic location when you need to be
>> there.
>
>People manage it all the time.
<nudge><nudge>
Double entrendre day or a re-run of an old thread?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT3_U...related&search
>
>[]
>> >I think noise, and I think what makes most of it in my life. It ain't
>> >planes- most of us don't live near airports, or at 30,000 feet.
>>
>> Fine, so **** anyone who is under your flightpath when you fly off all
>> over the place for weekends. Talk about totally selfish and only
>> seeing aspects YOU want to see.
>
>No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
>people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
I have a complaint. I can't hear the cars for the noise of planes passing just
above our roof.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:25:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> PT is never going to be viable in low to near zero population areas.
>> >
>> >Most of the places you go to in your life on leisure are easily
>> >accessible by PT. You don't use it because you have a car. That's the
>> >way most people act. Fair enough, but don't pretend otherwise.
>>
>> you constantly pretend remote country areas are easily accessible by
>> PT, if we argue for hours you eventually say "ok, I'll settle for not
>> going" If you want to go hillwalking in the highlands an occasional
>> bus isn't going to get you onto the hill, to the fishing lake, the
>> birdwatxching site, the photographic location when you need to be
>> there.
>
>People manage it all the time.
<nudge><nudge>
Double entrendre day or a re-run of an old thread?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT3_U...related&search
>
>[]
>> >I think noise, and I think what makes most of it in my life. It ain't
>> >planes- most of us don't live near airports, or at 30,000 feet.
>>
>> Fine, so **** anyone who is under your flightpath when you fly off all
>> over the place for weekends. Talk about totally selfish and only
>> seeing aspects YOU want to see.
>
>No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
>people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
I have a complaint. I can't hear the cars for the noise of planes passing just
above our roof.
--
Martin
Apr 29th 2007 | 8:58 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:49:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
> >people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
>
> I have a complaint. I can't hear the cars for the noise of planes passing just
> above our roof.
I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
--
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> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:49:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
> >people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
>
> I have a complaint. I can't hear the cars for the noise of planes passing just
> above our roof.
I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 29th 2007 | 9:06 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:58:25 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:49:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
>> >people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
>>
>> I have a complaint. I can't hear the cars for the noise of planes passing just
>> above our roof.
>
>I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
>approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number on the
fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was that the
undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:49:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
>> >people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
>>
>> I have a complaint. I can't hear the cars for the noise of planes passing just
>> above our roof.
>
>I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
>approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number on the
fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was that the
undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
--
Martin
Apr 29th 2007 | 9:11 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:58:25 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
> >approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
>
> I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number on the
> fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was that the
> undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
I get worried when I can read the phone number on an easyjet plane too.
When I'm reading it from another plane at 36,000 feet!
--
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David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:58:25 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
> >approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
>
> I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number on the
> fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was that the
> undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
I get worried when I can read the phone number on an easyjet plane too.
When I'm reading it from another plane at 36,000 feet!
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 29th 2007 | 9:14 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:11:21 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:58:25 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
>> >approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
>>
>> I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number on the
>> fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was that the
>> undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
>
>I get worried when I can read the phone number on an easyjet plane too.
>When I'm reading it from another plane at 36,000 feet!
You have eyes like a hawk?
I've done it just after take off once, really scary.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:58:25 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
>> >approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
>>
>> I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number on the
>> fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was that the
>> undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
>
>I get worried when I can read the phone number on an easyjet plane too.
>When I'm reading it from another plane at 36,000 feet!
You have eyes like a hawk?
I've done it just after take off once, really scary.
--
Martin
Apr 29th 2007 | 9:19 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:11:21 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:58:25 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >[]
> >> >I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
> >> >approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
> >>
> >> I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number
> >> on the fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was
> >> that the undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
> >
> >I get worried when I can read the phone number on an easyjet plane too.
> >When I'm reading it from another plane at 36,000 feet!
>
> You have eyes like a hawk?
No, it's when the easyjet plane is passing by at 35,000 feet!
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:11:21 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:58:25 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >[]
> >> >I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
> >> >approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
> >>
> >> I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number
> >> on the fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was
> >> that the undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
> >
> >I get worried when I can read the phone number on an easyjet plane too.
> >When I'm reading it from another plane at 36,000 feet!
>
> You have eyes like a hawk?
No, it's when the easyjet plane is passing by at 35,000 feet!
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 29th 2007 | 9:26 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:19:29 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:11:21 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:58:25 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
>> >> >approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
>> >>
>> >> I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number
>> >> on the fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was
>> >> that the undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
>> >
>> >I get worried when I can read the phone number on an easyjet plane too.
>> >When I'm reading it from another plane at 36,000 feet!
>>
>> You have eyes like a hawk?
>
>No, it's when the easyjet plane is passing by at 35,000 feet!
I hope you waved your bottle of champagne and your Harrod's picnic hamper at the
Easyjet passengers.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:11:21 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:58:25 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >I have a complaint. I can see planes in the distance on their final
>> >> >approach to Manchester airport, but I can't hear them!
>> >>
>> >> I have a complaint. I can hear them too. I could read the phone number
>> >> on the fuselage Easyjet plane yesterday. What was really worrying was
>> >> that the undercarriage was down too. Maybe Mixi trained?
>> >
>> >I get worried when I can read the phone number on an easyjet plane too.
>> >When I'm reading it from another plane at 36,000 feet!
>>
>> You have eyes like a hawk?
>
>No, it's when the easyjet plane is passing by at 35,000 feet!
I hope you waved your bottle of champagne and your Harrod's picnic hamper at the
Easyjet passengers.
--
Martin
Apr 29th 2007 | 9:41 pm
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Re: travelling to Italy - need your advice!!!
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:49:07 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>People manage it all the time.
Ok, how do I get to the Isle of Sheppey (south east coast) to do a
dawn bird survey ? PT gets me popular places at popular times, I go to
unpopular places at unpopular times, thats the nature of landscape
photography and birdwatching to some extent.
>> >I think noise, and I think what makes most of it in my life. It ain't
>> >planes- most of us don't live near airports, or at 30,000 feet.
>>
>> Fine, so **** anyone who is under your flightpath when you fly off all
>> over the place for weekends. Talk about totally selfish and only
>> seeing aspects YOU want to see.
>
>No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
>people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
It a question of which are most distressing.
For the millions effected by airport noise, which is far louder, its
that. I know people who cant speak over aircraft noise where they
live. Here, cars are a slight swish as they go past, the City Airport
planes are a roar. I'm hardly living in a minority place and if I was
I dont accept that only effecting some people is a defence.
noisy neighbours only affect some people but thats not a reason to not
take action.
--
Mike Reid
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>People manage it all the time.
Ok, how do I get to the Isle of Sheppey (south east coast) to do a
dawn bird survey ? PT gets me popular places at popular times, I go to
unpopular places at unpopular times, thats the nature of landscape
photography and birdwatching to some extent.
>> >I think noise, and I think what makes most of it in my life. It ain't
>> >planes- most of us don't live near airports, or at 30,000 feet.
>>
>> Fine, so **** anyone who is under your flightpath when you fly off all
>> over the place for weekends. Talk about totally selfish and only
>> seeing aspects YOU want to see.
>
>No, it's a question of what people hear the most, and as I said, most
>people don't live near airports, but nearly everyone hears cars.
It a question of which are most distressing.
For the millions effected by airport noise, which is far louder, its
that. I know people who cant speak over aircraft noise where they
live. Here, cars are a slight swish as they go past, the City Airport
planes are a roar. I'm hardly living in a minority place and if I was
I dont accept that only effecting some people is a defence.
noisy neighbours only affect some people but thats not a reason to not
take action.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
