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Old Nov 28th 2004, 10:22 pm
  #121  
The Reids
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Following up to [email protected]

    >>Hypocritical? What are you thinking of exactly?
    >Double standards in morality.

Right, same as the rest of us then? His position as defender of
the faith is undermined by shagging on the side, same as nearly
every leader or monarch around, even poor old John Major with his
family values.
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Old Nov 28th 2004, 10:42 pm
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:22:24 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to [email protected]
    >>>Hypocritical? What are you thinking of exactly?
    >>Double standards in morality.
    >Right, same as the rest of us then?

No because
a) I am not likely to be the next king.
b) I don't make public speeches criticising others.
c) I believe in live and let live.

    >His position as defender of
    >the faith is undermined by shagging on the side,

He isn't defender of anything. If he had any sense he would keep his
mouth shut. As Ian Hislop said, his occupation is waiting for his
mother to die.

    >same as nearly
    >every leader or monarch around, even poor old John Major with his
    >family values.

According to Edwina Currie on the BBC R4 recently, John Major was not
PM, when he succumbed to her charms. :-)
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Old Nov 28th 2004, 10:57 pm
  #123  
Tim Challenger
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:00:49 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:16:14 +0100, Magda
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:56:07 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
    >><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >> ... On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >> ...
    >> ... > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
    >> ... > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> ... >
    >> ... >>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
    >> ... >>electrons, so they looked like this :
    >> ... >>
    >> ... >>
    >> ... >> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
    >> ... >> ... their place in society.
    >> ... >>
    >> ... >>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
    >> ... >>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
    >> ... >
    >> ... > Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
    >> ...
    >> ... I quite like him.
    >>I'm sure the British will be delighted if you want to keep him !
    >
    > Tim finds new Emperor for Austria?

    :-)


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Old Nov 28th 2004, 10:59 pm
  #124  
Tim Challenger
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:44:51 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:50:19 +0000, The Reids
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Following up to Tim Challenger
    >>>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
    >>>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
    >>>>
    >>>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
    >>>I quite like him.
    >>I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
    >>arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
    >>fashioned, yes. They have had a huge amount of flak from arrogant
    >>ignorant foreign newspaper owners who I would appreciate butting
    >>out. Obviously marrying an airhead was a big mistake.
    >
    > Do you mean they weren't made for each other after all?

As I said at the time: "Breeding stock".
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Old Nov 28th 2004, 11:01 pm
  #125  
Tim Challenger
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:51:47 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:56:07 +0100, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
    >>>>electrons, so they looked like this :
    >>>>
    >>>> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
    >>>> ... their place in society.
    >>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
    >>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
    >>>
    >>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
    >>I quite like him.
    >
    > Worrying about your retirement knighthood so soon? :-)

Ssshhhh!

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Old Nov 28th 2004, 11:23 pm
  #126  
nitram
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:01:32 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:51:47 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:56:07 +0100, Tim Challenger
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
    >>>>>electrons, so they looked like this :
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
    >>>>> ... their place in society.
    >>>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
    >>>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
    >>>>
    >>>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
    >>>I quite like him.
    >>
    >> Worrying about your retirement knighthood so soon? :-)
    >Ssshhhh!

I've noticed that Brit.s who achieve high positions in international
organisations, don't get OBEs etc. that they would if they held a
similar job in the UK Civil Service.

So to sum up, you are wasting your time liking him :-)
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Old Nov 28th 2004, 11:24 pm
  #127  
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:09:23 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:25:19 +0100, nitram wrote:
    >> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:50:26 +0100, Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>My employer arranged a team-building event a while ago. The management
    >>>travelled to the venue 1st class, the workers by second class.
    >>
    >> Your employer is not the first to do that.
    >I thought this was in the best British tradition? :-)

German too :-)
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Old Nov 29th 2004, 2:29 am
  #128  
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:40:29 +0000, The Reids wrote:

    > Following up to devil
    >
    >>>>My employer arranged a team-building event a while ago. The management
    >>>>travelled to the venue 1st class, the workers by second class.
    >>>
    >>> Your employer is not the first to do that.
    >>I thought this was in the best British tradition? :-)
    >
    > Is there something wrong with it, dear boy? :-)

Depends I guess.

Depends upon whether I end up in business/first or not. :-)
(Our beloved Mapleflot only has J, no First. Canadian thing I guess.
First does not sound good.)

I have been in J while my students were in the back. But the rules I
operate on don't allow me to pay more than a full economy tix. Upgrading
is another matter. Or using FF tickets. I often meet colleagues in J,
but the fun really starts if you are in J and you meet your boss in Y.
 
Old Nov 29th 2004, 8:40 am
  #129  
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On 2004-11-29 10:40:27 +0100, The Reids <[email protected]> said:

    > Following up to Jeremy Henderson
    >>> I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
    >>> arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
    >>> fashioned, yes.
    >>
    >> How about stupid? Reactionary? Hypocritical?
    >
    > Stupid? No.

On what evidence?

    > Reactionary isn't much different from old fashioned.

There's old fashioned and then there's violently opposed to modernity -
as in his ideas on architecture for example.

    > Hypocritical? What are you thinking of exactly?

What I had in mind was something I read a while ago about the
"development" going on in his "Duchy of Cornwall" and how contrary it
is to his stated belief in all things eco-friendly and traditional. I
don't recall the details - maybe someone else can provide them.

And of course his relationship with Laurens van der Post does him no credit.

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Old Nov 29th 2004, 10:28 am
  #130  
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:40:12 +0100, Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On 2004-11-29 10:40:27 +0100, The Reids <[email protected]> said:
    >> Following up to Jeremy Henderson
    >>>> I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
    >>>> arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
    >>>> fashioned, yes.
    >>>
    >>> How about stupid? Reactionary? Hypocritical?
    >>
    >> Stupid? No.
    >On what evidence?
    >> Reactionary isn't much different from old fashioned.
    >There's old fashioned and then there's violently opposed to modernity -
    >as in his ideas on architecture for example.
    >> Hypocritical? What are you thinking of exactly?
    >What I had in mind was something I read a while ago about the
    >"development" going on in his "Duchy of Cornwall" and how contrary it
    >is to his stated belief in all things eco-friendly and traditional. I
    >don't recall the details - maybe someone else can provide them.
    >And of course his relationship with Laurens van der Post does him no credit.

LvdP is dead exactly what sort of a relationship are you implying :-)
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Old Nov 29th 2004, 10:56 am
  #131  
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I have an 11 hour flight coming up lax-muc and I never have any luck
sleeping on planes.

I live in L.A.
Drove down to TJ this weekend and picked up a 10 pack of Valium.
They wouldnt sell individual pills.
So Saturday night I go to the local liquer store and buy 2 airline size
Johnny Blacks.

I down the valium with the 2 little bottles (on the rocks of course) and
watch TV (this is at 8pm)
After about an hour I'm feeling pretty happy but not sleepy I break another
in half,
take the half and get happier. I went to bed about 11:30pm when I usually do
and woke up about 7:00 am no hangover, nothing.

Did I get sleepy? A little, but I was more inclined to throw on my old pink
floyd CD's (with Roger Waters) then go to sleep
Total dosage was 15mg( 10+5).
I'm 6ft, 190lbs bit of a beer gut but at least my ass fits in one airline
seat and I'm not flowing onto the next.

I have heard that Alcohol effects you differently at higher altitudes so I'm
wondering if those 2 shots at 30k will
be the difference to help me sleep.

I don't really drink, maybe 1 or 2 times a month (sometimes less) but I used
to smoke pot heavily a few years back.
I'm pretty much clean and don't use drugs anymore, beside the valium I took
last weekend I havn't used
anything harder then pot in the last 20 years.

At this point I'm still gonna take a valium after dinner and I will prob
have a few drinks on the plane
but I'm not to sure I'm going to get any sleep.
Maybe sitting there bored out of my mind half way into the flight will help.

I get to my final destination OTP about 5 pm so I really only have to stay
awake another few hours should I not get any sleep.
That was my little experiment.
 
Old Nov 30th 2004, 11:51 pm
  #132  
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Following up to Jeremy Henderson

    >> Stupid? No.
    >On what evidence?

Just hearing him speak, doesn't seem stupid to me.

    >> Reactionary isn't much different from old fashioned.
    >There's old fashioned and then there's violently opposed to modernity -
    >as in his ideas on architecture for example.

No more violently opposed than the majority of people as far as I
can see. No bad thing to have some opposition to the "flat roofs
don't leak", "concrete looks good in a damp climate" brigade.

    >> Hypocritical? What are you thinking of exactly?
    >What I had in mind was something I read a while ago about the
    >"development" going on in his "Duchy of Cornwall" and how contrary it
    >is to his stated belief in all things eco-friendly and traditional. I
    >don't recall the details - maybe someone else can provide them.

I'm not a royal follower either, so I wouldn't know. I'm not
claiming he's anything fantastic, I just don't believe he's so
terrible.

    >And of course his relationship with Laurens van der Post does him no credit.

Again, don't know much about it.
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Old Dec 1st 2004, 9:21 am
  #133  
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ThomasG wrote:

    > I have an 11 hour flight coming up lax-muc and I never have any luck
    > sleeping on planes.
    >
    > I live in L.A.
    > Drove down to TJ this weekend and picked up a 10 pack of Valium.
    > They wouldnt sell individual pills.

Hi,

I do a similar thing... usually a couple of valium (1 on boarding, 1
after dinner) and a couple of drinks and I sleep the rest of the trip.

now though I'm going to try an ambien on the next trip... it works
faster and surer than valium.

I'm sure you can get it in TJ
 
Old Dec 1st 2004, 9:26 am
  #134  
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:21:13 -0600, Anonymouse <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >ThomasG wrote:
    >> I have an 11 hour flight coming up lax-muc and I never have any luck
    >> sleeping on planes.
    >>
    >> I live in L.A.
    >> Drove down to TJ this weekend and picked up a 10 pack of Valium.
    >> They wouldnt sell individual pills.
    >Hi,
    >I do a similar thing... usually a couple of valium (1 on boarding, 1
    >after dinner) and a couple of drinks and I sleep the rest of the trip.
    >now though I'm going to try an ambien on the next trip... it works
    >faster and surer than valium.
    >I'm sure you can get it in TJ

Have you thought what would happen in an accident?
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Old Dec 1st 2004, 9:30 am
  #135  
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:26:04 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this :


... >I do a similar thing... usually a couple of valium (1 on boarding, 1
... >after dinner) and a couple of drinks and I sleep the rest of the trip.
... >
... >now though I'm going to try an ambien on the next trip... it works
... >faster and surer than valium.
... >
... >I'm sure you can get it in TJ
...
... Have you thought what would happen in an accident?

He will just go to sleep forever. Lucky guy.
 


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