Sleeping on long flights - What's the secret?
Nov 23rd 2004, 9:29 am
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> > > 1. Business class. Seriously.
> >
> > You *can't* be serious. Who can afford business class?
>
> There are a number of ways to get into business class -- it can be done as
> an upgrade using miles, or as an award ticket.
Very few people have the miles to upgrade to business class, or if
they do they have the wrong type of ticket to upgrade.
> Also, the cost of business
> class has dropped to the point where it's
> only a little more than full-fare coach.
? Who pays full-fare coach when it's pleasure travel out of their own
pocket??
A quick check with Air Canada shows a restricted economy YVR <==> LHR
ticket in January is $900 CAD. By comparison, a Y-class full-fare
coach economy ticket is $3,830 CAD.
Cheers,
Geoff Glave
Vancouver, Canada
> >
> > You *can't* be serious. Who can afford business class?
>
> There are a number of ways to get into business class -- it can be done as
> an upgrade using miles, or as an award ticket.
Very few people have the miles to upgrade to business class, or if
they do they have the wrong type of ticket to upgrade.
> Also, the cost of business
> class has dropped to the point where it's
> only a little more than full-fare coach.
? Who pays full-fare coach when it's pleasure travel out of their own
pocket??
A quick check with Air Canada shows a restricted economy YVR <==> LHR
ticket in January is $900 CAD. By comparison, a Y-class full-fare
coach economy ticket is $3,830 CAD.
Cheers,
Geoff Glave
Vancouver, Canada
Nov 23rd 2004, 10:39 am
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"Geoff Glave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > > 1. Business class. Seriously.
> > >
> > > You *can't* be serious. Who can afford business class?
> >
> > There are a number of ways to get into business class -- it can be done
as
> > an upgrade using miles, or as an award ticket.
> Very few people have the miles to upgrade to business class, or if
> they do they have the wrong type of ticket to upgrade.
On the contrary, lots of people have the miles to upgrade to business class.
It's one of the reasons why these upgrades are so hard to get.
As for the "wrong type of ticket," simply book an upgradeable fare. There's
no mystery to it -- you just have to ask.
> > Also, the cost of business
> > class has dropped to the point where it's
> > only a little more than full-fare coach.
> ? Who pays full-fare coach when it's pleasure travel out of their own
> pocket??
Who said the OP was flying for pleasure?
> A quick check with Air Canada shows a restricted economy YVR <==> LHR
> ticket in January is $900 CAD. By comparison, a Y-class full-fare
> coach economy ticket is $3,830 CAD.
Air Canada is a monopoly, and does, essentially, whatever it want. Many US
airlines, e.g. UA, have less-than-Y-priced "up" fares that get you a seat in
F or J for the cost of a somewhat discounted coach. These fare bases do
not, as a rule, appear on airline websites and, in fact, many airline ticket
agents are unfamiliar with them (Just last week I had to tell a UA ticket
agent to look for a QUP fare).
On CO and UA, the difference between Y and F or Y and J is frequently as
little as $10.
> Cheers,
> Geoff Glave
> Vancouver, Canada
news:[email protected] om...
> > > > 1. Business class. Seriously.
> > >
> > > You *can't* be serious. Who can afford business class?
> >
> > There are a number of ways to get into business class -- it can be done
as
> > an upgrade using miles, or as an award ticket.
> Very few people have the miles to upgrade to business class, or if
> they do they have the wrong type of ticket to upgrade.
On the contrary, lots of people have the miles to upgrade to business class.
It's one of the reasons why these upgrades are so hard to get.
As for the "wrong type of ticket," simply book an upgradeable fare. There's
no mystery to it -- you just have to ask.
> > Also, the cost of business
> > class has dropped to the point where it's
> > only a little more than full-fare coach.
> ? Who pays full-fare coach when it's pleasure travel out of their own
> pocket??
Who said the OP was flying for pleasure?
> A quick check with Air Canada shows a restricted economy YVR <==> LHR
> ticket in January is $900 CAD. By comparison, a Y-class full-fare
> coach economy ticket is $3,830 CAD.
Air Canada is a monopoly, and does, essentially, whatever it want. Many US
airlines, e.g. UA, have less-than-Y-priced "up" fares that get you a seat in
F or J for the cost of a somewhat discounted coach. These fare bases do
not, as a rule, appear on airline websites and, in fact, many airline ticket
agents are unfamiliar with them (Just last week I had to tell a UA ticket
agent to look for a QUP fare).
On CO and UA, the difference between Y and F or Y and J is frequently as
little as $10.
> Cheers,
> Geoff Glave
> Vancouver, Canada
Nov 23rd 2004, 2:30 pm
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Re: Sleeping on long flights - What's the secret?
poldy <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected] >,
> [email protected] (Yaofeng) wrote:
>
> > Business class. A couple of drinks after dinner, you'll wake up by
> > the stewardess near the destination after being stoned and fully
> > reclined in your slumber.
>
> Yeah is one day of sleep worth 8X the fare of economy? If you get your
> company to pay for it, that's one thing.
Of course I wasn't paying out of my own pocket, not being filthy rich.
Although it would be nice to be in that category. And it wasn't 8x
the fare, more like 5 times.
I'd suffer through the ordeal otherwise being a light sleeper myself.
> In article <[email protected] >,
> [email protected] (Yaofeng) wrote:
>
> > Business class. A couple of drinks after dinner, you'll wake up by
> > the stewardess near the destination after being stoned and fully
> > reclined in your slumber.
>
> Yeah is one day of sleep worth 8X the fare of economy? If you get your
> company to pay for it, that's one thing.
Of course I wasn't paying out of my own pocket, not being filthy rich.
Although it would be nice to be in that category. And it wasn't 8x
the fare, more like 5 times.
I'd suffer through the ordeal otherwise being a light sleeper myself.
Nov 23rd 2004, 6:44 pm
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"Keith Willshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I've had the exact opposite, a boss who insisted I fly
> in economy even though it was more expensive than
> the cut price business class flight I found.
> Some people just lose sight of the ball I guess.
> Keith
Perhaps your boos believed BC is a privilege that should only be given to
his class of people no matter the cost...
Nik
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> I've had the exact opposite, a boss who insisted I fly
> in economy even though it was more expensive than
> the cut price business class flight I found.
> Some people just lose sight of the ball I guess.
> Keith
Perhaps your boos believed BC is a privilege that should only be given to
his class of people no matter the cost...
Nik
Nov 24th 2004, 12:38 am
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"Cyrus Afzali" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> You made all kinds of other crazy statements,
Perfect self-description I would say...
Nik
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> You made all kinds of other crazy statements,
Perfect self-description I would say...
Nik
Nov 24th 2004, 1:39 am
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In article <[email protected] >, "Jeff Hacker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>American shows 6:10 JFK-LAX (AA 201) -
>United shows 6:11 JFK-LAX (UA 15)
>Continental shows 5:53 EWR-LAX (CO 91)
>America West shows 6:35 JFK-LAX (HP 307)
>Delta shows 6:05 JFK-LAX (DL 363)
>That's significantly longer than a few years ago - I guess they've padded
>the flight times due to ground delays, etc.
They also fly somewhat slower slower to save fuel, and "modern" jets have
lower cruise speeds than 707/Dc-8 era jets did.
They do pad though - first time I flew from Newark to Portland, ME I couldn't
understand why the scheduled flight time was 2.5 hours. It took 75 minutes to
get from the gate to the end of the runway! That aspect is much better since
9/11....
Kevin Rhodes
Westbrook, Maine
>American shows 6:10 JFK-LAX (AA 201) -
>United shows 6:11 JFK-LAX (UA 15)
>Continental shows 5:53 EWR-LAX (CO 91)
>America West shows 6:35 JFK-LAX (HP 307)
>Delta shows 6:05 JFK-LAX (DL 363)
>That's significantly longer than a few years ago - I guess they've padded
>the flight times due to ground delays, etc.
They also fly somewhat slower slower to save fuel, and "modern" jets have
lower cruise speeds than 707/Dc-8 era jets did.
They do pad though - first time I flew from Newark to Portland, ME I couldn't
understand why the scheduled flight time was 2.5 hours. It took 75 minutes to
get from the gate to the end of the runway! That aspect is much better since
9/11....
Kevin Rhodes
Westbrook, Maine
Nov 24th 2004, 4:10 am
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Following up to Jeff Hacker
>Most people don't get 6 1/2 hours sleep on a 6 1/2 hour flight. By the time
>you take off, eat dinner, and then are awakened for a breakfast snack prior
>to arrival, you're lucky to get 4 hours in economy class; less in Business
>or First.
how does the OP
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>Most people don't get 6 1/2 hours sleep on a 6 1/2 hour flight. By the time
>you take off, eat dinner, and then are awakened for a breakfast snack prior
>to arrival, you're lucky to get 4 hours in economy class; less in Business
>or First.
how does the OP
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Nov 25th 2004, 11:56 pm
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
>>electrons, so they looked like this :
>>
>> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
>> ... their place in society.
>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>
> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
I quite like him.
--
Tim C.
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
>>electrons, so they looked like this :
>>
>> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
>> ... their place in society.
>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>
> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
I quite like him.
--
Tim C.
Nov 26th 2004, 12:16 am
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:56:07 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
...
... > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
... > <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
... >>electrons, so they looked like this :
... >>
... >>
... >> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
... >> ... their place in society.
... >>
... >>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
... >>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
... >
... > Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
...
... I quite like him.
I'm sure the British will be delighted if you want to keep him !
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
...
... > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
... > <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
... >>electrons, so they looked like this :
... >>
... >>
... >> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
... >> ... their place in society.
... >>
... >>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
... >>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
... >
... > Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
...
... I quite like him.
I'm sure the British will be delighted if you want to keep him !
Nov 26th 2004, 12:50 am
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Following up to Tim Challenger
>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>>
>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
>I quite like him.
I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
fashioned, yes. They have had a huge amount of flak from arrogant
ignorant foreign newspaper owners who I would appreciate butting
out. Obviously marrying an airhead was a big mistake.
--
Mike Reid
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>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>>
>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
>I quite like him.
I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
fashioned, yes. They have had a huge amount of flak from arrogant
ignorant foreign newspaper owners who I would appreciate butting
out. Obviously marrying an airhead was a big mistake.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Nov 26th 2004, 12:51 am
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:56:07 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
>>>electrons, so they looked like this :
>>>
>>> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
>>> ... their place in society.
>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>>
>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
>I quite like him.
Worrying about your retirement knighthood so soon? :-)
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
>>>electrons, so they looked like this :
>>>
>>> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
>>> ... their place in society.
>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>>
>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
>I quite like him.
Worrying about your retirement knighthood so soon? :-)
--
Martin
Nov 26th 2004, 1:00 am
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:16:14 +0100, Magda
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:56:07 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
> ...
> ... > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
> ... > <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... >
> ... >>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
> ... >>electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... >>
> ... >>
> ... >> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
> ... >> ... their place in society.
> ... >>
> ... >>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
> ... >>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
> ... >
> ... > Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
> ...
> ... I quite like him.
>I'm sure the British will be delighted if you want to keep him !
Tim finds new Emperor for Austria?
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:56:07 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:27:12 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
> ...
> ... > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:22:06 +0100, Magda
> ... > <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... >
> ... >>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:58:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
> ... >>electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... >>
> ... >>
> ... >> ... Charlie boy is not fussy about who he speaks to, so long as they know
> ... >> ... their place in society.
> ... >>
> ... >>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
> ... >>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
> ... >
> ... > Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
> ...
> ... I quite like him.
>I'm sure the British will be delighted if you want to keep him !
Tim finds new Emperor for Austria?
--
Martin
Nov 26th 2004, 1:15 am
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"The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Following up to Tim Challenger
>>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie
>>>>Big-Ears, but I
>>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
>>I quite like him.
> I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
> arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
> fashioned, yes. They have had a huge amount of flak from arrogant
> ignorant foreign newspaper owners who I would appreciate butting
> out. Obviously marrying an airhead was a big mistake.
> --
> Mike Reid
Ears - I agree with you.
Arrogant and Ignorant - I think that he is but it is largely because of his
sheltered upbringing. He didn't really have much of a chance to be otherwise
when his views were conditioned by what the Battenbergs told him.
Old Fashioned - perhaps. I think that he is honest, within a very limited frame
of reference but he does have difficulty in understanding that his views are
quite often disregarded. (Does this go back to arrogance/ignorance?)
Airhead marriage - I agree totally but look on the bright side. It could have
been worse (think Fergie).
I think we deserve better but at least he is a putative Head of State with no
power.
JohnT
news:[email protected]...
> Following up to Tim Challenger
>>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie
>>>>Big-Ears, but I
>>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
>>I quite like him.
> I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
> arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
> fashioned, yes. They have had a huge amount of flak from arrogant
> ignorant foreign newspaper owners who I would appreciate butting
> out. Obviously marrying an airhead was a big mistake.
> --
> Mike Reid
Ears - I agree with you.
Arrogant and Ignorant - I think that he is but it is largely because of his
sheltered upbringing. He didn't really have much of a chance to be otherwise
when his views were conditioned by what the Battenbergs told him.
Old Fashioned - perhaps. I think that he is honest, within a very limited frame
of reference but he does have difficulty in understanding that his views are
quite often disregarded. (Does this go back to arrogance/ignorance?)
Airhead marriage - I agree totally but look on the bright side. It could have
been worse (think Fergie).
I think we deserve better but at least he is a putative Head of State with no
power.
JohnT
Nov 26th 2004, 1:44 am
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:50:19 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Tim Challenger
>>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
>>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>>>
>>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
>>I quite like him.
>I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
>arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
>fashioned, yes. They have had a huge amount of flak from arrogant
>ignorant foreign newspaper owners who I would appreciate butting
>out. Obviously marrying an airhead was a big mistake.
Do you mean they weren't made for each other after all?
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Tim Challenger
>>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
>>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
>>>
>>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
>>I quite like him.
>I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
>arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
>fashioned, yes. They have had a huge amount of flak from arrogant
>ignorant foreign newspaper owners who I would appreciate butting
>out. Obviously marrying an airhead was a big mistake.
Do you mean they weren't made for each other after all?
--
Martin
Nov 26th 2004, 2:04 am
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:44:51 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:50:19 +0000, The Reids
... <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >Following up to Tim Challenger
... >
... >>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
... >>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
... >>>
... >>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
... >>
... >>I quite like him.
... >
... >I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
... >arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
... >fashioned, yes. They have had a huge amount of flak from arrogant
... >ignorant foreign newspaper owners who I would appreciate butting
... >out. Obviously marrying an airhead was a big mistake.
...
... Do you mean they weren't made for each other after all?
She was unhappy, he was aloof. Produced great kids, though.
electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:50:19 +0000, The Reids
... <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >Following up to Tim Challenger
... >
... >>>>There are many words in English to express what I think about Charlie Big-Ears, but I
... >>>>won't be writing any of them. You guess - quietly.
... >>>
... >>> Oh you spoil sport - hint arrogant ignorant prat
... >>
... >>I quite like him.
... >
... >I don't see much wrong with him. Ears I'm not worried about,
... >arrogant? I don't think so, ignorant? Not true. Rather old
... >fashioned, yes. They have had a huge amount of flak from arrogant
... >ignorant foreign newspaper owners who I would appreciate butting
... >out. Obviously marrying an airhead was a big mistake.
...
... Do you mean they weren't made for each other after all?
She was unhappy, he was aloof. Produced great kids, though.
