Let is be knownst that on Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:01:29 +0100, Martin
<[email protected]> writted:

>On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:00:06 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Let is be knownst that on Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:59:03 +0100, Martin
>><[email protected]> writted:
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>>>On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:53:11 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Let is be knownst that on Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:09:23 +0100, Martin
>>>><[email protected]> writted:
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>>>>>On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:53:35 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>>>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> and quickly
>>>>>>moved onto a TRS80. It's amazing what was impressive back then.
>>>>>
>>>>>What was impressive was what one could do with 8K words of memory and no disk of
>>>>>any sort 40 years ago, like test and control a satellite.
>>>>
>>>>Most importantly it had an excellent version of Basic, plus a good
>>>>manual on how to write it. Much better than the C64, even if the
>>>>latter was a better machine.
>>>
>>>What did you get with your PDP11?
>>
>>A sore back!
>>
>>Actually, it was used for some medical purpose, and when it was thrown
>>away, I decided it would be cool to have. I achieved absolutely
>>nothing with it, even after trawling through a heap of manuals.
>>Couldn't even get Hello World to work!
>
>Didn't you get an OS and some languages with it?

IIRC, there was already software on it, but it wasn't documented, and
was of no interest to me. I tried writing the Hello World thing in
assembly, but just couldn't get it to work. I was only around 11 at
the time, and had infinite patience but **** all knowledge. The
manuals were all slightly water damaged too.

Eventually we dug it back out a couple of years later and got it to
make a strobe on the screen. After a while, the screen blew, and it
stayed like that. No idea what ever happened to it.
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Let is be knownst that on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:41:51 +0100, Deeply
Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> writted:

>Gosh, I would say pretty much every cost.

With a couple of hours off in town yesterday I went window shopping.
Here are a couple of screens I found:

http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/ABCD0001.JPG
http://deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/ABCD0002.JPG

The difference in specs is fairly minimal, but check out the
difference in price.
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In article <1htfu1w.qcfvty6wqwtkN%[email protected]>,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

> Mac mice are overpriced though IMO. They're nice mice, for sure, but
> I've always used cheaper generics, especially as it took apple _years_
> to get the advantage of multi-button (etc.) mice...

Yeah $60 for a wireless mouse, even a Bluetooth one, is too much. For
the same money, you can get a top notch Logitech gaming mouse with
higher resolution (critical for gaming).

But that little trackball works pretty well. Way better for vertical
and horizontal scrolling than I expected.

In article <[email protected]>,
Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:

> I haven't yet found a touchpad that is as good as a mouse. I am sure
> they will come up with something eventually that replaces both it and
> the mouse. Who know what it will look like.
> --

Mouse is better but when you're using a laptop say on a coffee table or
on your lap, mouse isn't terribly practical.

In article <[email protected]>,
Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:

> A wireless Mac mouse was around 60 euro while a comparable PC one was
> about half that.
>
> A top end Mac laptop was around double the price of the best PC laptop
> there.
>
> In fact, I haven't seen anything yet that was cheaper in Macland than
> PCland, hardware wise.

The mouse is definitely overpriced.

The laptop, I wonder about the specs. There are components which don't
stand out obviously, like the GPU used.

That said, in the laptop market, there is a premium charged for design
and Apple isn't the only one. Look at some of Sony's subnotebook VAIOs
in the thinnest designs.

Despite the high prices, their laptops are their best-sellers and I
would guess design has a lot to do with their appeal.