-Martin

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:57:44 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:


>>> Some of us only get vacation once a year.
>>
>> In Germany? Unbelievable.
>
>Living in the past again?

OK explain why you only get one holiday a year.

It sounds more like you are living in the past.
--

Martin

-Martin

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:02:57 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:

>Martin schrieb:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:06:38 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Martin schrieb:
>>>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 12:58:28 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> we have an interesting problem- we want to book a vacation flight in
>>>>> July with our daughter and her baby. The only problem is, the baby isn't
>>>>> there yet, so there's no d.o.b. and no name known.
>>>>> However, the airline wants this info in order to issue a ticket. We
>>>>> thought maybe we could just book for the adults and add the baby later,
>>>>> but we can't do an online booking for a baby without booking an adult as
>>>>> well. Duhh.
>>>>> Anyone done this?
>>>> The baby doesn't get a seat.
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't understand why the airline is making an
>>>> issue of it.
>>> They are not. But their online booking system is.
>>>
>>> If you just book two seats now isn't that sufficient? You can
>>>> always buy the baby's ticket later????
>>> No you can't. You can only book the baby's ticket together with an adult.
>>
>> It depends on the airline.
>>
>> Which airline are you using?
>
>At last, a serious on topic response, thankyou Martin thankyou!

It wasn't the first serious response. Maybe you missed some?

>
>HLX, now part of TUIFly. Their callcentre is one of those 01805 numbers
>that will bankrupt you listening to "All our lines are busy, please hold
>the line".

Did you try asking at a Happag LLoyd travel agent?

> Which is why I asked the eternal infinite wisdom of the group, but get
>a discussion about babies on planes instead.

http://www.tuifly.com/de/service/index.html

http://www.tuifly.com/en/service/bes...61.html#inhalt
1. Carriage of children and infants

For safety reasons infants up to the age of 7 days will not be accepted for
carriage.

Infants under the age of 2 will be carried for a reduced fare of only EUR 10,00
for international flights / EUR 11,90 for domestic flights / GBP 6,00 / SEK
95,00 per flight segment provided the following: The transportation of an infant
has to be notified in advance and reconfirmed. The capacity is limited to 10% of
the seats. For the determination of the age of the infant the age at the time of
flight, in case of a return flight, at the return flight, is decisive. Infants
younger than 2 years have to travel on their parent or guardian's lap. Infants
do not have a right to their own seat or free baggage allowance (neither hand
baggage nor checked baggage) - unless the infant travels at a non-reduced fare.
For flights from 25.03.2007 infants less than 2 years of age travelling at a
reduced fare (Section 11) are entitled to a personal baggage allowance (hand
baggage and checked baggage) according to Clause 7 (1) sentence1,2.

One infant per one adult is permitted only.

<blah blah blah>
--

Martin

Jeanmarie Skahan

On Mar 4, 10:20 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:04:33 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 09:20:40 -0500, gerald <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:13:05 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>The baby doesn't get a seat. I don't understand why the airline is making an
> >>>issue of it. If you just book two seats now isn't that sufficient? You can
> >>>always buy the baby's ticket later????
>
> >> sounds to me like they have enough intelligence to realize
> >>that it is dangerous to not put the baby in a seat or a basset of it's
> >>own.
>
> >Have you taken a baby on a plane?
>
> http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/faqs....&quest=infants
> "What is Ryanair's policy on the carriage of infants?
>
> If you are travelling with an infant (aged 8 days up to and including 23
> months), you can include them on your seat booking by making an infant
> reservation on our website or by calling your local reservations centre.
>
> Newly born infants up to 7 days inclusive are not accepted on Ryanair flights.
> For safety and insurance requirements, infants (aged 8 days up to and including
> 23 months) must be accompanied by a passenger aged 16 years or above and booked
> in the ratio of one infant per adult. Extra seats cannot be purchased for
> infants.
>
> Infants under the age of 2 years on the date of travel may fly for an
> administration fee per one way flight - Click here for details, provided they
> sit on an adult's lap (One infant per adult). If the infant reaches the age of 2
> years prior to the return journey they must pay the applicable fare, taxes, fees
> and charges for that part of the journey. Proof of age may be required so please
> have the infant's valid photo-id available for inspection (or birth certificate
> only if traveling on a route that does not require valid photo-id i.e. i.e.
> Ireland-UK Ireland, UK domestic, Ireland domestic or Italian domestic flights)
>
> No baby/car seats are allowed in the cabin of the aircraft.
>
> With the exception of a pram or buggy (which is carried free of charge), Infants
> do not have a baggage allowance and therefore any infant equipment such as car
> seats and travel cots must be included in the accompanying adult's baggage
> allowance upon payment of a baggage fee per item, per one way flight - Click
> here for details.
>
> To ensure that all families travel at the best price and receive the best
> service we have introduced a number of services to make it easier for family
> travel:
>
> * Buggies can be used up to the entrance to the plane (provided that local
> conditions permit this). After landing your buggy will be available at the
> aircraft steps.
> * Infant seatbelts are provided on all Ryanair aircraft and individual
> assistance is provided by the cabin crew, if required to ensure that infant seat
> belt is used correctly.
> * Baby food/milk can be heated by our crew on board upon request.
> * Baby changing facilities are available on board."
>
> Other airlines
> http://www.babyworld.co.uk/informati...stairlines.asp
> --
>
> Martin- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for all the great information. Have friends who will benefit
from it.

Jeanmarie

-Martin

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:36:16 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:39:49 +0100, Tom Peel
><[email protected]> writted:
>
>>jessica_smith_nyc schrieb:
>>>
>>
>>Did you ever stop to wonder why we didn't do just that?
>>Budget airlines here use extortioniate call center telephone numbers to
>>handle customer questions. They make almost as much money on customer
>>phone calls as they do flying customers around.
>
>Gotta love some of the quality replies you got on this one!

Everything except a recommendation to use birth control more intelligently to
avoid births clashing with holidays.
--

Martin

-Magda

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:38:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:59:50 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:48:36 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:42:57 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
... > ... <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >(These are the same children who can be taken to restaurants
... > ... > and public functions without annoying the other patrons.)
... > ...
... > ... Mine! )
... >
... >Except when they destroy English pubs.
...
... Wrong tense, my kids are in their twenties.

They can still destroy English pubs.

-Martin

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:16:24 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:38:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:59:50 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:48:36 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
> ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... > ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:42:57 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> ... > ... <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... > ...
> ... > ... >(These are the same children who can be taken to restaurants
> ... > ... > and public functions without annoying the other patrons.)
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Mine! )
> ... >
> ... >Except when they destroy English pubs.
> ...
> ... Wrong tense, my kids are in their twenties.
>
>They can still destroy English pubs.

but like you and I they don't.

They are both very well behaved having been educated at the same school as
little Miss Bartlett.
--

Martin

-JohnT

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Martin wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:39:46 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:52:37 -0500, S Viemeister
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my
>>>>>>parents
>>>>>>had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you
>>>>>>considered
>>>>>>that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt
>>>>>>very
>>>>>>proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't
>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
>>>>>>will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that
>>>>>>bonding
>>>>>>far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>>>>>
>>>>>That beats my first trip - I was nine months old.
>>>>
>>>>My son had his first sailing boat trip one November, when he was three
>>>>weeks
>>>>old.
>>>
>>>I'm waiting on Evelyn to barge in and lecture you on your priorities.
>>
>>
>> I have a licence, I know my priorities when I am sailing.
>
> If you were on a small craft, one assumes there were not hundreds of
> fellow-passengers to consider! (And that the boy was well-supervised for
> his own safety.)

It was a large craft (think Gin Palace) because Martin is very, very,
wealthy. And, just out of interest, how can one "supervise" a three week old
infant? It is unlikely that he was left on the deck on his own with a rusk,
Heinz baby food and a dummy impregnated with Newcastle Brown Ale.

JohnT

-JohnT

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:10:58 +0100, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett)
> wrote:
>
>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > If you were on a small craft, one assumes there were not
>>> > > hundreds of fellow-passengers to consider!
>>> >
>>> > Heaven forbid that Fellow Passengers should be exposed to the fact
>>> > that
>>> > small children are Not Silent !!!
>>>
>>> First it was the ravage of disease, now the noise. She should make her
>>> mind up.
>>
>>Air travel is a risky undertaking these days - and that's even without
>>KLM food!
>
> and DVT.

If I had to choose between DVT and KLM food, I would have to settle for DVT.
I flew KLM SFO-AMS recently and a passenger in a seat ahead of me was
upset because he was hungry at breakfast time and only got one meal. I gave
him mine and, believe it or not, he thanked me! However, the quantity of
alcohol on offer was of the usual standard.

JohnT

-Magda

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:32:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:16:24 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:38:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:59:50 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:48:36 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:42:57 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
... > ... > ... <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... >(These are the same children who can be taken to restaurants
... > ... > ... > and public functions without annoying the other patrons.)
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... Mine! )
... > ... >
... > ... >Except when they destroy English pubs.
... > ...
... > ... Wrong tense, my kids are in their twenties.
... >
... >They can still destroy English pubs.
...
... but like you and I they don't.
...
... They are both very well behaved having been educated at the same school as
... little Miss Bartlett.

She destroys pubs too??

-Martin

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:42:30 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:39:46 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:52:37 -0500, S Viemeister
>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think my first trip in a plane I was a month old. I'm glad my
>>>>>>>parents
>>>>>>>had a nice time showing me off to relatives abroad. Have you
>>>>>>>considered
>>>>>>>that maybe it would be a fun thing for daughter, baby and no doubt
>>>>>>>very
>>>>>>>proud grandparent(s) to take a vacation? The baby likely won't
>>>>>>>remember
>>>>>>>having the trip, but I doubt that the happy relatives around the baby
>>>>>>>will have a harmful effect. Indeed, I think the benefits of that
>>>>>>>bonding
>>>>>>>far outweigh your 'disease' scaremongering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That beats my first trip - I was nine months old.
>>>>>
>>>>>My son had his first sailing boat trip one November, when he was three
>>>>>weeks
>>>>>old.
>>>>
>>>>I'm waiting on Evelyn to barge in and lecture you on your priorities.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a licence, I know my priorities when I am sailing.
>>
>> If you were on a small craft, one assumes there were not hundreds of
>> fellow-passengers to consider! (And that the boy was well-supervised for
>> his own safety.)
>
>It was a large craft (think Gin Palace) because Martin is very, very,
>wealthy.

:-)

>And, just out of interest, how can one "supervise" a three week old
>infant? It is unlikely that he was left on the deck on his own with a rusk,
>Heinz baby food and a dummy impregnated with Newcastle Brown Ale.

As I had selfishly drunk the Newcastle Brown Ale, my son had to make do with
being breast fed (by the yacht's Swedish wet nurse of course).
--

Martin

-Martin

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:46:57 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:10:58 +0100, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > If you were on a small craft, one assumes there were not
>>>> > > hundreds of fellow-passengers to consider!
>>>> >
>>>> > Heaven forbid that Fellow Passengers should be exposed to the fact
>>>> > that
>>>> > small children are Not Silent !!!
>>>>
>>>> First it was the ravage of disease, now the noise. She should make her
>>>> mind up.
>>>
>>>Air travel is a risky undertaking these days - and that's even without
>>>KLM food!
>>
>> and DVT.
>
>If I had to choose between DVT and KLM food, I would have to settle for DVT.

A colleague had both at no extra charge and eventually major heart surgery.

>I flew KLM SFO-AMS recently and a passenger in a seat ahead of me was
>upset because he was hungry at breakfast time and only got one meal. I gave
>him mine and, believe it or not, he thanked me! However, the quantity of
>alcohol on offer was of the usual standard.

:-)
--

Martin

-Martin

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:48:18 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:32:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:16:24 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:38:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
> ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... > ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:59:50 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... > ...
> ... > ... >On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:48:36 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
> ... > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:42:57 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> ... > ... > ... <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... >(These are the same children who can be taken to restaurants
> ... > ... > ... > and public functions without annoying the other patrons.)
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... Mine! )
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... >Except when they destroy English pubs.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Wrong tense, my kids are in their twenties.
> ... >
> ... >They can still destroy English pubs.
> ...
> ... but like you and I they don't.
> ...
> ... They are both very well behaved having been educated at the same school as
> ... little Miss Bartlett.
>
>She destroys pubs too??

Do you mean you do too?
--

Martin

-Magda

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:14:24 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:48:18 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:32:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:16:24 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:38:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:59:50 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... >On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:48:36 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... > ... > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... > ... On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:42:57 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
... > ... > ... > ... <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... >(These are the same children who can be taken to restaurants
... > ... > ... > ... > and public functions without annoying the other patrons.)
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... Mine! )
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... >Except when they destroy English pubs.
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... Wrong tense, my kids are in their twenties.
... > ... >
... > ... >They can still destroy English pubs.
... > ...
... > ... but like you and I they don't.
... > ...
... > ... They are both very well behaved having been educated at the same school as
... > ... little Miss Bartlett.
... >
... >She destroys pubs too??
...
... Do you mean you do too?

Your son used to.

Mister Bartlett

Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> wrote:

> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*):
> > Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you were on a small craft, one assumes there were not
> > > > hundreds of fellow-passengers to consider!
> > >
> > > Heaven forbid that Fellow Passengers should be exposed to the fact that
> > > small children are Not Silent !!!
> >
> > First it was the ravage of disease, now the noise.
>
> What about the smell?

You're right - I hate the smell of OLD people !

B;


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Mister Bartlett

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:10:58 +0100, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
>
> >David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > If you were on a small craft, one assumes there were not
> >> > > hundreds of fellow-passengers to consider!
> >> >
> >> > Heaven forbid that Fellow Passengers should be exposed to the fact that
> >> > small children are Not Silent !!!
> >>
> >> First it was the ravage of disease, now the noise. She should make her
> >> mind up.
> >
> >Air travel is a risky undertaking these days - and that's even without
> >KLM food!
>
> and DVT.

We watch the in-flight movie rather than taking a DVT-player ...

B;

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